Muscle Tone
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| unit94 |  | ... | 03-05-2015 @ 23:10 |
 what is everyone's fran time? Member 3986, 10452 posts SQ 340, BP 200, DL 400940.0 kgs @ 129kgs Eq | Klokov stretches all the time, there's videos showing his normal warm up! | ||
| HUGE_GUY |  | ... | 04-05-2015 @ 07:45 |
| Avatar not found I might destroy the planet Member 2745, 803 posts | unit94 said:Klokov stretches all the time, there's videos showing his normal warm up! Was it the video of him moving through different ranges for short periods rather than static stretches? More like dynamic stretches? | ||
| samue1son | | ... | 04-05-2015 @ 19:01 |
 Member 4416, 1372 posts SQ 210, BP 175, DL 240625.0 kgs @ 122kgs UnEq | I'm really interested in people's findings around this. I've always been very flexible/mobile Splits and stretches all around for most of my life, however I've found that losing some of that flexibility and being "stiffer" as stated earlier assists me in staying tight. I don't know how to convey that in some physical explanation. I do find though that warming into my lifts and stretching hard at the end of my session, I am just as supple. | ||
| HUGE_GUY | | ... | 04-05-2015 @ 20:00 |
| Avatar not found I might destroy the planet Member 2745, 803 posts | I've found some information on this, though it was related to sprinters. Higher muscle tone gives more power. But if the tone is too high, the muscle takes too long to contract, giving less power. I've read that stretches, deep massage, saunas can relax this tone, as well as easy exercise. I've been doing lots of the first 3. I've read that in a big competition, sprinters won't do much treatment at all, just superficial massage to keep the tone high. In my case, i haven't stretched/rolled in 3 days now and i did a very easy 150 power clean today which tells me i'm good for 170 still. Which was alot quicker than a 140 last week, and a failed 160 a couple of week ago. I did some squats 2 days ago and didnt roll/stretch after which may have helped build up the muscle tone. Things were easier before i read how important it was to be supple. I'm gonna burn this book | ||
| PhillippeHalter | | ... | 04-05-2015 @ 20:04 |
 Are horror films healthy...? Member 5449, 2203 posts | Are you in the competition phase of your training currently then? If not then it sounds like you have a balance to address rather than a yes or no I will have your book mate! | ||
| HUGE_GUY | | ... | 04-05-2015 @ 20:19 |
| Avatar not found I might destroy the planet Member 2745, 803 posts | PhillippeHalter said:Are you in the competition phase of your training currently then? If not then it sounds like you have a balance to address rather than a yes or no I will have your book mate! I have another month still. Was hoping to gain flexibility by then but i just don't think im cut out for it. I've always walked like the terminator, i'm just very rigid. At least i learned something from this. | ||
| PhillippeHalter | | ... | 04-05-2015 @ 20:36 |
Are horror films healthy...? Member 5449, 2203 posts | HUGE_GUY said: I have another month still. Was hoping to gain flexibility by then but i just don't think im cut out for it. I've always walked like the terminator, i'm just very rigid. At least i learned something from this. Exactly You know what makes you happy so I think you'll find the balance eventually as you have with everything else | ||
| McMuffin_Gains | | ... | 04-05-2015 @ 20:41 |
 Help me rescue my Insulina. Member 5366, 1090 posts | IainKendrick said:Ignore the mobility of others. What do you need to a) improve performance and b) avoid injury. Anything after that could be a waste or effect the above! This hits the nail on the head for me, it's my philosophy also I do enough to remain injury free. When I put the extra time in to become more supple than normal in certain areas it has a negative effect on my heavy lifts and just reverts back to normal after a single workout anyway. I believe certain areas should always be stretched and kept mobile and for me that's anything that effects the shoulders/elbows as these are complex joints with lots of tendons, nerves and potential for rotation issues and injury. You aren't going to lose anything on your OHP by maintaining supple shoulders, if anything pressing with tight shoulders is asking for injury. However in my personal opinion having a tight back, hips and legs is not detrimental unless it causes discomfort or referred issues elsewhere through over compensation/compression. | ||
| PhillippeHalter | | ... | 04-05-2015 @ 20:57 |
Are horror films healthy...? Member 5449, 2203 posts | I want to be more mobile so stretch often... If I didn't I wouldn't and if I'm lucky enough to become as mibile as I want then I will then stretch simply to aid the below points It helps recover too and injury prevention Les face it though... It's going to take a while as I keep doing the lifting I am doing | ||
| Cuddles | | ... | 04-05-2015 @ 21:23 |
 Eat.Cycle.Sleep.Win Member 2, 12511 posts SQ 190, BP 150, DL 280620.0 kgs @ 99kgs UnEq Administrator | McMuffin_Gains said: However in my personal opinion having a tight back, hips and legs is not detrimental unless it causes discomfort or referred issues elsewhere through over compensation/compression. It might not be detrimental now, but what about in 10-15 years time? Serious question. Staying mobile is about being able to hit the positions you need biomechanically for your sport and staying injury free. It is the single thing I wish I had paid more attention to when lifting. I got sucked in to the 'lifting is lifting' thing and stopped treating it like I had other sports. Stretching went out with the bath water. It does seem pretty clear though that most oly lifters have a decent amount of flexibility and it doesn't seem to have hurt their 'muscle tone' all that much. | ||
| HUGE_GUY | | ... | 04-05-2015 @ 21:44 |
| Avatar not found I might destroy the planet Member 2745, 803 posts | Cuddles said:It does seem pretty clear though that most oly lifters have a decent amount of flexibility and it doesn't seem to have hurt their 'muscle tone' all that much. From what i get from Klokovs vids and words, he recommended to stretch only if you aren't flexible enough for the lifts, and from his warm up vids, he just does mobility drills to maintain this. I would think most olympic lifters gain the flexibility needed while they are young, rather than when they are already fully developed as i am. Their muscle tone would always be high with the volume of lifting. | ||
| McMuffin_Gains | | ... | 04-05-2015 @ 21:47 |
Help me rescue my Insulina. Member 5366, 1090 posts | Post Edited: 04.05.2015 @ 21:54 PM by McMuffin_Gains Cuddles said: It might not be detrimental now, but what about in 10-15 years time? Serious question. Staying mobile is about being able to hit the positions you need biomechanically for your sport and staying injury free. It is the single thing I wish I had paid more attention to when lifting. I got sucked in to the 'lifting is lifting' thing and stopped treating it like I had other sports. Stretching went out with the bath water. It does seem pretty clear though that most oly lifters have a decent amount of flexibility and it doesn't seem to have hurt their 'muscle tone' all that much. Well that would depend on what the long term effects are. Anybody can become more flexible and supple, sure it's going to take a heavy lifter of 15 years longer than your average joe however muscle is a living, regenerating tissue it is not impossible to become supple even after many years of tightness but we all already know this. As to whether tightness has an effect on posture and range of motion for a long enough period that it has long term implications on joints/skeletal structure I could not say. I suspect everyones needs are different when it comes to stretching and mobility, I just do what I need to do. I am in no way anti-stretching, hell I go in to the gym on rest days and spend an hour or so working on mobility but the areas I target are the areas which matter to me to keep me injury free and able to perform. Sure if my legs/hips/glutes are so tight that they're aching off and sore then there's no harm in using the foam roller and getting rid of some tension - just personally not to the extent where I go all 'soft and doughy'. EDIT: I would also add that perhaps the primary argument here is static vs dynamic stretching with particular attention to warming up. I NEVER stretch an area right before I lift. To warmup for squats, I squat. For bench, I bench and for deadlifts, I deadlift. Going back to my previous point though I will ALWAYS stretch both statically and dynamically my shoulders before I do anything as it prevents injury, allows me the range of motion to actually perform the exercise (think hand position on squats) and it doesn't have a detrimental effect on my lifts | ||