Muscle Tone

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HUGE_GUY		Muscle Tone	03-05-2015 @ 09:54
Avatar not found I might destroy the planet Member 2745, 803 posts	I've purchased The Supple Leopard recently by Kelly Starrett. The thing i was most interested in was hip flexor mobility. In a video Kelly demonstrates how high he can bring his knee to his chest in a cold state and this is a weakness of mine because i barely get it to parallel. Since doing a lot of the massage and stretches he recommends, i'm weak. I feel like my fibres arent firing as they usually do. I thought i was over training so i have rested, i've even put on some weight to get stronger, but i'm still lagging behind on every lift a good 7-10%. My throws and broad jumps too. Then i was reading about muscle tone, and how it needs to be kept high to perform well. So how do you gain more flexibility and keep high tone? Hard massages and long stretches a no-no at all times?

fctilidie		...	03-05-2015 @ 10:12
Grandad Goatse Member 2494, 5035 posts SQ 120, BP 110, DL 125 355.0 kgs @ 67kgs UnEq	This is interesting. I found out my knee problems were probably caused by poor hip mobility, so I've been working on stuff by Eric Cressey and Kelly Starrett for the last 4 months. My mobility is improving all the time but I have noticed a big difference in my squat strength, just doesn't feel like I have the same power. I'll be interested to read the responses you get.

HUGE_GUY		...	03-05-2015 @ 11:45
Avatar not found I might destroy the planet Member 2745, 803 posts	I hope there are responses. I notice sundays are quiet on here.

IainKendrick		...	03-05-2015 @ 14:48
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280 710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq	Ignore the mobility of others. What do you need to a) improve performance and b) avoid injury. Anything after that could be a waste or effect the above! Supple leopoard is a decent enough book to have but don't kill yourself trying to get some arbitary standard of mobility.

McMuffin_Gains		...	03-05-2015 @ 15:59
Help me rescue my Insulina. Member 5366, 1090 posts	Now this is interesting! I have often wondered myself. I find that generally I am stronger squatting when my legs and hips are tight, not to the point of causing me problems but just tight in general. I find the same for my back, when it's tight I feel stronger at deads. Other areas I find simply MUST be stretched to maintain mobility and decrease pain / risk of injury. For me that's generally my shoulders, arms, chest. Everywhere else I can pretty much neglect without issue. It works for heavy static lifts, not saying it would be best for other forms of exercise. Interesting, very interesting. I will research this 'muscle tone' I do not know much about it.

PhillippeHalter		...	03-05-2015 @ 17:58
Are horror films healthy...? Member 5449, 2203 posts	I have missed something here...? Has stretching absolutely definitely 100% lead directly to your lack in overall performance? Is there any other external factors such as a change in supplementation which could also contribute to a decrease in strength and power?

HUGE_GUY		...	03-05-2015 @ 17:59
Avatar not found I might destroy the planet Member 2745, 803 posts	I'm doing more research myself. So does high tone mean that the muscles should feel hard/dense in a relaxed state? A physio told me my quads were far too hard, that they should feel like dough. After taking Starrett's advice, my quads are very 'doughy' and i'm not very good at anything, although flexibility is slightly better. I did this to open up my stance on squats and to try to sprint with higher knees. Pause squat went from 225-210. Power clean 175-160. Starrett says if you massage anywhere and it hurts (bodyweight on a ball for example) then it's too tight. For strength/power athletes, should we ignore this? From watching Klokov's vids, his massages seem soft, just a flush out. He states that he never stretches. But he is still very flexible and a powerhouse.


PhillippeHalter		...	03-05-2015 @ 18:08
Are horror films healthy...? Member 5449, 2203 posts	For starters Klokovs a waer and talks st I wouldn't believe that he doesn't stretch one bit he's trying to be controversial and generate attention Secondly Your lifts may have decreased but in itself that might not necessarily be a bad thing... There's a lot more to it in my opinion I think the journey you have started is best judged at the end rather than at the initial sign of potential regression I fact that can be an indicator of change and therefore a stage of adaptation Just a few ideas...

HUGE_GUY		...	03-05-2015 @ 18:10
Avatar not found I might destroy the planet Member 2745, 803 posts	Post Edited: 03.05.2015 @ 18:11 PM by HUGE_GUY PhillippeHalter said:I have missed something here...? Has stretching absolutely definitely 100% lead directly to your lack in overall performance? Is there any other external factors such as a change in supplementation which could also contribute to a decrease in strength and power? No, no steroids/gh/slin whatever else there is out there involved. Although i thought i was taking too many multi vitamins at first. It's not just basic stretches. Quite intense massages to loosen out tight spots, for me its hips, quads, calves and glutes. Multiple stretches that Kelly advises to do for 3-5 minutes each stretch. I'm researching now, so i might understand this wrong, but it switches off the nervous system when you stretch, and low muscle tone makes you lose the ability to switch on all the fibres quickly? I train very simple and find it very easy to maintain my strength levels all year round, for many years now. I did start the AMH way of training, but gave up pretty quickly.

PhillippeHalter		...	03-05-2015 @ 18:20
Are horror films healthy...? Member 5449, 2203 posts	Interesting It would be great to find conclusively what the case is here then When you do please post up on here!

McMuffin_Gains		...	03-05-2015 @ 18:26
Help me rescue my Insulina. Member 5366, 1090 posts	Something I like to know is why I can train hard and heavy for months on end, only performing the bare minimum amount of stretching/mobility I need to prevent injury and feel absolutely fine most of the time yet stop training for longer than a fortnight and start to feel like I'm falling apart with aches, pains and tendonitis aplenty!?

HUGE_GUY		...	03-05-2015 @ 18:33
Avatar not found I might destroy the planet Member 2745, 803 posts	PhillippeHalter said:Interesting It would be great to find conclusively what the case is here then When you do please post up on here! I'll stop stretching and massage for 2 weeks and i will test my lifts. I hope someone has a solution to this. Some of us need to be loose enough not to hurt, or are trying to get into new ranges to better our performance, but performance drops. What's the answer. Mobility drills, instead of kettlebell massages and stretches? Are all strong guys very tight and need to be that way?

McMuffin_Gains		...	03-05-2015 @ 18:44
Help me rescue my Insulina. Member 5366, 1090 posts	Interesting reads AGAINST static stretching: http://breakingmuscle.com/mobility-recovery/static-stretching-... http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/reasons-not-to-stretc... http://stronglifts.com/5-reasons-why-you-shouldnt-do-static-st... Cant find anything negative relating to massage however.

HUGE_GUY		...	03-05-2015 @ 18:45
Avatar not found I might destroy the planet Member 2745, 803 posts	McMuffin_Gains said:Something I like to know is why I can train hard and heavy for months on end, only performing the bare minimum amount of stretching/mobility I need to prevent injury and feel absolutely fine most of the time yet stop training for longer than a fortnight and start to feel like I'm falling apart with aches, pains and tendonitis aplenty!? With the tendonitis - Tendons like big weights to strengthen and harden them. Tendonitis is usually tendinopathy, which is damage to the tendon rather than inflammation and rest will not heal this. Rest will make your tendons weaker quickly though. Weaker tendon that still has damage will hurt when you walk around at 145kg This is just an educated guess

McMuffin_Gains		...	03-05-2015 @ 18:55
Help me rescue my Insulina. Member 5366, 1090 posts	HUGE_GUY said: With the tendonitis - Tendons like big weights to strengthen and harden them. Tendonitis is usually tendinopathy, which is damage to the tendon rather than inflammation and rest will not heal this. Rest will make your tendons weaker quickly though. Weaker tendon that still has damage will hurt when you walk around at 145kg This is just an educated guess Seems logical however probably never know for definite. Acutally 143kg at the moment, this 'saving for a house' poverty diet is having a weight loss effect but at least my strength is still there... for now.

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