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DomRedshawIcon...15-11-2012 @ 13:43 
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lol general.

i was gunna get my kid 1 of them foam sets of weights n small bench just so she'd stop f**king about in my rack, climbing on the bench and climbing over the stacked up plates.
DomRedshawIcon...15-11-2012 @ 13:44 
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AdamT said:
Sorry with the wording on the last sentance. What i meant was they should participate in whatever activities it is that they enjoy



ye i had a feeling you meant activities which is why i mentioned it Happy
MarkIcon...15-11-2012 @ 13:48 
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JC said:
Obviously there is no problem with things like this imo...they are going to do things to try to immitate positive role models in their life (Callum tried to put a 16KG KB OH in JJB the other week...I s**t myself lol)
After all, being very strong is given as a hugely positive image to kids, you only have to look at Avengers, Ben 10, Generator Rex etc to see this
There's a huge difference between trying to pick up some s**t though, and being pushed into heavy WL day after day pre high school


Yeah definitely, he loves it and loves telling people that I do strongman stuff lol.
Jake isn't too bad in sports shops, its outdoors that he is more dangerous. A few weeks back he was picking up a neighbours garden stone and getting it ready to press from his chest! Was a nasty looking stone too lol
MattD90Icon...15-11-2012 @ 14:08 
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Post Edited: 15.11.2012 @ 14:15 PM by MattD90
i totally agree with your first post

first vid and second vid are huge contrasts

bad technique is bad technique, but unfortunately you seen it all over the intrnet. i cringe to f**k when i see people doing that with their lower back
hermanIcon...15-11-2012 @ 14:53 
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My understanding of what happens in Russia is that child partake in a much wider range of sports/activities and maintain this for years, even if there is one which they specialise in. This allows them to develop a whole range of athletic attributes, not just ones which assist in their "chosen" pursuit.

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They do this in China too. When it becomes clear what a kid is really good at they start getting more specific. I think its important for kids to be exposed to a variety of challenging physical activities even if they do not have the capacity to become an athlete. So much important development happens in youth and you cant go back! Puberty is a natural massive steroid cycle that could really do magic if they kid is already competent in a physical activity and pushing their body hard (and intelligently) when it happens.

The same goes for learning of academic stuff and musical instruments too. General govt education is s**te in average schools they do not make use of the learning capacity and energy of kids at all. By the time you get to choose A-levels or a university degree its already to late to be "great" at something.
leeboyIcon...15-11-2012 @ 17:16 
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Post Edited: 15.11.2012 @ 17:19 PM by leeboy
my 6, 4, and 2 year old all lift at different levels, i always watch them closely and never let them do anything silly i also never push them hard just make it fun, make games out of it ect. should add i also encourage them to sprint and jump stuff like that. if they ask me to throw or kick a ball round i will every time. the days are long gone where most kids pick this stuff up on their own, too many distractions and reasons to stay inside
adamduttonIcon...15-11-2012 @ 20:14 
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this is weird i was actually going to start a thread on this my self, as recently my 8 year old daughter has been very interested in lifting weights, i have some dumbells at home which go up to about 25kg and she just started picking it up off the floor in a sumo deadlift stance with no problems, (even nailed the technique) then today i brought the cross bar home from a yoke im making its probably about 25kg and is 2 inch in diameter, and as soon as i brought it in she came over and just double overhand deadlifted it with ease,
the way i see it is if she wants to do it i will let her, but obviously wont let her lift anything that she will struggle with, but by the looks of it she does have good natural strength and a good grip too.
DanIcon...15-11-2012 @ 22:09 
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My Son was 14 a fortnight ago, I got him started at Go-shin Kempo Ju-Jitsu about 5 years ago, he is due his Black Belt grading this month. I am very proud of him as committing to something for 5 years at that age is a big deal.

A couple of times along the way he has considered quitting but I had a little chat and explained about all the wasted effort if he was to quit, and how he would be so glad he stuck at it when he is older.
I don't consider this "pushy", I consider it guidance, but the main thing is that he has enjoyed it 99% of the time.
If he wasn't enjoying it then I wouldn't force him to do it.

He has toyed with weights a couple of times over the years, he squatted 65kg to full depth, raw, about 2 years ago weighing about 6.5 stone, but he wasn't particularly interested in weights so I've never pushed him into doing it.
If he ever does show any interest I'll help him all I can - to find a shop that sells weights so he can buy his own and not f**k any of my s**t up ;-)

Personally I would tend to agree with Cleggy about the 9 year old girl deadlifting so much, it's impossible to tell if she is actually enjoying her training and lifting from that video but either way I think lifting 200 pounds at that age can't be doing her any good.
If the child is happy and doing it by choice then fair enough, but if it's the parent pushing her because he didn't achieve what he wanted to in his own life then it's wrong.
danbaseleyIcon...16-11-2012 @ 04:12 
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Never live vicariously through your children - they'll grow up to hate you for it.

I think 14 as a minimum would be about right to get under a bar - if they wanted to from a non-"come on son - give it a go" basis. Obviously some kids get themselves Dumbbell sets, etc. earlier - but that is just a bit of fun.

Pull-ups, push-ups, ab work, sprints, runs and other calisthenics are all fine - and in sport MUCH more attention in Football, Rugby, etc. should be focused on skills coaching in this country - we seem to think that making someone bigger and stronger makes them a better player with a ball????
AKBCIcon...16-11-2012 @ 05:44 
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I am always soooo confused by the 'logic' kids shouldn't lift weights. It goes back to the whole 'protein is drugs', 'weight training is for meat-heads' type mentality based on nothing but old wives tales.

Weight training is simply loading of the muscles joints and connective tissues through planned ranges of motion which are safe and controlled and what the lifter is thinking about and focused on at the time. The weather conditions in the gym are always the same, the floor always level and dry (you would hope). The loads, rep ranges and proximity to failure can easily be controlled by a coach.

Now let's look at contact sports that kids start at very young ages. They involve max effort dynamic movements, sometimes working with additional loading up to and beyond failure (I was scrummaging at 11 years old), non-controlled ranges of motion and form and all done on constantly changing surfaces, temperature and conditions whilst the participant is focusing on the ball and other players, NOT their body positioning. Add to that the surprise aspect of other players affecting you unexpectedly.

Now, which is most dangerous and detrimental?

To be clear, I don't think contact sports are a problem, I think kids pushing their boundaries is normal and natural. Lifting weights is fine and well if they want to, supervision is required just to prevent using ridiculous and dangerous loads either by accident or for ego.
macrothIcon...16-11-2012 @ 09:43 
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Nothing veryuseful to add, lots of good posts and reasonable opinions in this thread.

I'll just say that after my first strongman comp my 3yr old was flipping tires in the parking lot, and at home he sometimes "snatches" a big plastic stick or foam playsword (complete with "chalking up" beforehand and dumping the "bar" after). He calls this "doing sports". Grin He also likes to race me up and down the corridor (cheating little bugger always jumps the gun). It's all very cute and fun, but I haven't given a thought about actually teaching him anything in that respect. He just sees it as another game to play, like kicking a ball or stacking legos. And I think I'd like it to stay that way for a while yet.
MarkIcon...16-11-2012 @ 11:12 
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macroth said:Nothing veryuseful to add, lots of good posts and reasonable opinions in this thread.

I'll just say that after my first strongman comp my 3yr old was flipping tires in the parking lot, and at home he sometimes "snatches" a big plastic stick or foam playsword (complete with "chalking up" beforehand and dumping the "bar" after). He calls this "doing sports". Grin He also likes to race me up and down the corridor (cheating little bugger always jumps the gun). It's all very cute and fun, but I haven't given a thought about actually teaching him anything in that respect. He just sees it as another game to play, like kicking a ball or stacking legos. And I think I'd like it to stay that way for a while yet.


Yes! It has to be fun, but safe fun Happy
WiegieboardIcon...16-11-2012 @ 11:16 
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Part of my job is to safely teach kids how to use machine weights. I get kids as young as 7 or 8 sometimes and we never work heavier than what a child can rep SAFELY with for 45 seconds and we drill it into the kids not to go to failure. The strength increase over say a 10 week period from complete novice experience is rather impressive. Some of the older kids have since taken to olympic lifting and strength training as adults which is nice to see.
serious_peteIcon...17-11-2012 @ 08:59 
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Good thread. I was chatting about this with a mate last night after telling him about the kids at my weightlifting club, who are as young as 5. He of course askede if it wqas safe but one of the good things IMO about weightlifting for kids is that is can be done in a controlled submaximal way and so can be kept safe.

Kids will never play football, climb trees, ride bikes or fight and wrestle in a controlled way and so all these activities (which are normal healthy things to do) are more dangerous than lifting weights. JMO
leeboyIcon...17-11-2012 @ 11:34 
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danbaseley said:Never live vicariously through your children - they'll grow up to hate you for it.

I think 14 as a minimum would be about right to get under a bar - if they wanted to from a non-"come on son - give it a go" basis. Obviously some kids get themselves Dumbbell sets, etc. earlier - but that is just a bit of fun.

Pull-ups, push-ups, ab work, sprints, runs and other calisthenics are all fine - and in sport MUCH more attention in Football, Rugby, etc. should be focused on skills coaching in this country - we seem to think that making someone bigger and stronger makes them a better player with a ball????


my cousin always played football but coming up through the ranks got his knees smashed every weekend. how many others get hammered playing football and rugby.

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