How pre-overtraining feels to you?

PaulSavage said:
All this theory high tech gabber is great an everything but thats just not reality in practice. If it were the case, guys like george leeman who gets really sore from training, wouldnt have gone from a 295lb deadlift to a 909lb american record, even though hes still very young. Instead he would be taking it easy doing stuff that never gets him sore, and not doing exactly what you said is 'massively counter productive to strength' an he wouldnt be massively stronger than you are.
As for overtraining, theres only a certain amount of stress you can put on the human body, perfect sleep, massage, perfect nutrition etc they will all increase the stress that you can put on it but theres always a limit.

AMH_Power said:
Same reason George tore his quad at 21 year old....
Anyhow, pound for pound he isn't 'massively stronger' than I am. Also, I haven't touched drugs in my life which do/can make a profound difference.
'high tech gabber' is called science, science is what sees lifters of today destroy records of old. As I said, hydroxyproline signifies microtrauma. Microtrauma will always progress to macro if pursued.
I'm not into swinging 'big lifter name' penises around, but Fred Hatfield is more knowledgeable than me, you and George together, and probably any other name we could throw out there. He is a great lifter AND scholar. If George is setting world records at 45, I may start training to get sore as opposed to getting strong.

PaulSavage said:
Well sure but he was already stronger than you before he started taking anything an that was when he was a teenager, plus he wasnt all that strong to start with. Using pound for pound doesnt apply unless both people are actually trying to be strong pound for pound. I could diet down 25kg in the next 3 month an still be the same strength an be far stronger pound for pound but id rather eat a s**t load an get stronger in that time as pound for pound doesnt make it into my thought process at this time. You can say science but firstly, that can be wrong, but what it really is is theory, an theory and reality arnt always the same. For a lighter lifter, such as yourself, i absolutely agree, heavy load, low reps, as often as niggles will let you, go easy and just put time in. Thats how to get strong pound for pound as you get more proficient at the lifts, adapt and end up being able to shift more weight. If you just want to get stronger though, get bigger muscles, which of course means train harder with higher reps an basically tear down the muscles. The result? Yeah you get sore, it sucks, but if other aspects are right you get bigger and stronger. If you then do heavy weights for low reps after gaining the muscle, adapt and shift more weight, it will then be more weight than you could lift when you were smaller.

brownbear said:Paul

You are picking things out form what amh is saying and misinterpreting them out of context.

Instead of using examples of specific people and then using them incorrectly, try listening for once.

Also do you think George leoman does a set of bodyweight calf raises and calls it a training session?
You can not cut 25kg and stay the same strength. 3 inch range of motion bench press for 50 reps is not a measure of strength. Side raises with Dumbbells you can not do properly is not a measure of strength.
If you actually did any of the barbell lifts in a full range of motion, for 1-5 reps at any point ever you could comment. George spends plenty of time doing the proper lifts in a proper range of motion.

kirkynick said:
What was the injury rate like for those going through that training?

Nimble said:I thought microtrauma was thought to be one of the main drivers of hypertrophy (by science)?

Steve said:
I'd have guessed there was very little correlation between micro trauma and hypertrophy in the absence of other more significant factors otherwise wouldn't marathon runners have huge legs?

PaulSavage said:
No because thats not the same kind of soreness, plus they dont eat enough to get bigger.

slimsim said:
When was the last time you ran a marathon Paul? If you haven't then how do you know it's "not the same kind of soreness", which in itself is a laughable concept.

Fazc said:
Because he could drop 25kg and be better at it than you. Have you not been paying attention?
Considering that we're outside of the realm of fantasy that is Pauls log, why are you lot even giving these ramblings any time?

slimsim said:
When was the last time you ran a marathon Paul? If you haven't then how do you know it's "not the same kind of soreness", which in itself is a laughable concept.