How pre-overtraining feels to you?

Nimble said:
Have you been to the doctor? That would seem like the first thing to do

HUGE_GUY said:
Not yet, it was only yesterday i really looked into things. I was kidding myself that there was other reasons for my bad performances. Alot.of minor illnesses this year, probably linked.
Gp tomorrow

AMH_Power said:
The human body will do what is easiest to adapt, and if that means it trying to stop you from putting yourself under the same stress by preventing you lifting by means of exhibiting fatigue etc, it will. It is when it becomes apparent to your body that it still has to deal with these demands regardless, that some of the greatest changes occur.

Nimble said:
Interesting idea. Who's the quote by?

HUGE_GUY said:AMH - This makes it sound like i can adapt eventually, and that i should keep training. But all i feel like doing is taking 2 months off and start from scratch.

I was sprinting twice a week on top of lifting heavy twice (80-90%). It usually works for me but i think i finally hit my limits back in January so i should have allowed more recovery. Instead i ignored my body and kept going for months on end until now. I don't feel that bad, but my body just doesn't perform anymore. In the past i could take 4 days rest and be fine.

Examples
Jan - P.clean 175. Pause squat 225. Box squat 300. Strict press 92. 40m sprint 4.73seconds. 16lb Shot overhead throw 19.02m. BW 83
Now - P.clean 150. Pause squat 200. Box squat 260. Strict press 80. 40m sprint 5.03. 16lb shot throw 17.45m. BW a fatter 80

I remember having surgery and having a few months just doing machine weights and i could still do a 150 power clean at a light bw. For me strength=speed. I've gone back into bulking phases but the weight just won't come back. But if i under eat slightly for a week, my measurements shrink fast.

AMH_Power said:
Didn't Ilya Ilin take 9 month off lifting then come back outrageous?

HUGE_GUY said:
I'd bet he had a cycle or 2 to help with that though. I'm not planning to take anything to get me past this slump. It's going to be a long road to getting back i feel.

AMH_Power said:Given what the human body is capable of in terms of adapting to the demands imposed, I think over training how we perceive it (fatigue) is debatable as real.

However, microtrauma when left to progress to macrotrauma is pretty real. But this is where intelligent programming comes in...

and not gauging the quality of the previous days sessions by how sore you are the following day, this is simply hydroxyproline signalling that you've damaged cells. Damaged cells do not equate to a positive adaptation; but one that will cause adhesion's which binds the fibril together which is massively counterproductive to strength as they can't slide over each other (Sorry Paul....)

Cumulative fatigue however, can be dealt with in real time... stretching, soft tissue work, reduced volume/intensity/frequency. Rest is not the answer, as this will negate the need to adapt to such training loads. Active recovery is where it's at....

Many times I've had typical symptoms of OT; s**t sleep patterns, crazy fatigue, irratable... rapid heart rate in a morning, dehydration.... and for whatever reason still set a pb.

The following words (or to the effect of) were given to me, and are possibly the greatest words I have ever had in regards to overtraining etc:

The human body will do what is easiest to adapt, and if that means it trying to stop you from putting yourself under the same stress by preventing you lifting by means of exhibiting fatigue etc, it will. It is when it becomes apparent to your body that it still has to deal with these demands regardless, that some of the greatest changes occur.