How pre-overtraining feels to you?
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| tlast2O12dude |  | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 01:00 |
 Obvious Juicer Member 1613, 1036 posts SQ 185, BP 140, DL 220545.0 kgs @ 66kgs UnEq | nick said: science science what... lol | ||
| Wiegieboard | | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 01:42 |
 as crimson as my last victims underclothing..... Member 899, 11368 posts SQ 180, BP 132.5, DL 190502.5 kgs @ 118kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 12.11.2010 @ 01:45 AM by Wiegieboard My guess is that a body can't heal at it's optimal rate due to the level at which it's trying to repair damaged tissue from training. As a result of this, other tissues and functions in the body which need constant repair don't receive the amount of attention they need, thus resulting in a gradual breakdown of their ability to do their job, getting weaker as time goes on. My guess would be that the weaker tissues damage much more easily hence bruising easier. I think of my training in a sense that there's only so much my body can heal in a certain time frame. If I cause it more damage than it can repair by the time my next session comes around, everything suffers as a result and weak links in the chain cause a failure of the body when the metaphorical weak links snap due to the stress.The weak link snapping might be the aggravation of an existing medical condition, immune system rundown or muscle/tendon rupture through s**tty tissue quality. I'd love to see the cortisol levels in some of the athletes on this forum. Would make an interesting medical study. Some folk like me, haven't a very good natural ability to heal whereas there are other monsters in here who if they eat enough, can heal in a half or quarter the time that I do with a vastly superior level of hypercompensation post recovery. Give a human like that chemical assistance and they can become world beaters in sports where physical capability is king. Some people really do have superior genetics to others when it comes to specific capabilities of the body. In this sport, I see myself as having very poor genetic ability whereas when it comes to cardio or plyometric ability, my body is much more capable than it is in other aspects. | ||
| BigKen | | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 01:48 |
 Not in Loz's top 10 uk strongmen Member 144, 4421 posts SQ 320, BP 165, DL 350835.0 kgs @ 123kgs Eq | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs106.snc4/35687_1... | ||
| Tom_Martin | | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 01:49 |
 No one believed him anyway. Member 958, 11411 posts SQ 410, BP 215, DL 4251050.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | |||
| richiebevan | | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 07:56 |
 suited and strapped Member 1162, 774 posts SQ 220, BP 132.5, DL 240592.5 kgs @ 117kgs UnEq | Tom_Martin said: Perfect. x2 | ||
| IainKendrick | | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 07:59 |
 some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | Tom_Martin said:I personally, don't believe in overtraining. There's plenty of negative symptoms of training a lot, but you don't have to let them get in the way of your training progress. It just makes the rest of your life seem miserable... I do however believe in training stupidity. Pushing on through injuries isn't clever, but if you're NOT injuring yourself, you're not training too much. All the effects of doing a lot of training are manageable. Injury isn't. Overtraining exisits without you approval  Seriously though overtraining is a well established physiological phenomenon. However the term is often used inappropriatly, and the bodies ability to deal with stress is great. | ||
| Carl | | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 08:11 |
 Loves rugby league ... Member 13, 14460 posts SQ 230, BP 180.5, DL 262.5673.0 kgs @ 128kgs UnEq Administrator | i would agree with kenders | ||
| FAT_SAM | | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 08:51 |
 more like 'FAT TROLL' Member 984, 6331 posts SQ 420, BP 260, DL 3351015.0 kgs @ 165kgs UnEq | Tom_Martin said:I personally, don't believe in overtraining. There's plenty of negative symptoms of training a lot, but you don't have to let them get in the way of your training progress. It just makes the rest of your life seem miserable... I do however believe in training stupidity. Pushing on through injuries isn't clever, but if you're NOT injuring yourself, you're not training too much. All the effects of doing a lot of training are manageable. Injury isn't. Agreed 100%. | ||
| martin | | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 09:02 |
 Why not just not get fat in the first place? Member 132, 1406 posts SQ 331, BP 200, DL 320851.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq | IainKendrick said: Overtraining exisits without you approval Seriously though overtraining is a well established physiological phenomenon. However the term is often used inappropriatly, and the bodies ability to deal with stress is great. Agreed, as much as people may never reach it, overtraining is a change in the bodies chemical reactions. It is very real. To me the bit before overtraining feels like when your leaning back on a chair on two legs, that bit when your just about to fall but you catch yourself just in time... | ||
| IainKendrick | | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 09:04 |
some nice relaxing jazz. Member 77, 12599 posts SQ 265, BP 165, DL 280710.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | If overtraining dose not exist then we all have mutant healing factor! In reality we don't. We have limits. If those limits are exceded stress will become detrimental to many physiological systems and performance etc will decrease. In this situation stress dose not cause adaptation it results in maladaption. One reason for drug use in sport is to aid recovery and allow greater levels of stress to be accrued. | ||
| spam_up | | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 09:18 |
 Glorious spam Member 1563, 3961 posts SQ 180, BP 130, DL 260570.0 kgs @ 90kgs UnEq | when i under rest or overtrain i find motivation falls very quickly and i start to lose alot of strength in and out of the gym, sleeping well is harder and i get that stressy rushing feeling pablo was on about. Personally i feel the benifit of a few days off, plenty of sleep an loads of good food. | ||
| tz1127 | | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 09:49 |
 Member 1419, 2281 posts SQ 175, BP 105, DL 240520.0 kgs @ 82kgs UnEq | Overtraining has been well-documented in many studies and definetly exists. However true overtraining takes months to develop and months to recover from. Most people mean overreaching when they mean overtraining. However, overreaching is actually a very good thing if its follwed by a lighter period to allow fatigue to disperse and gains to be realised; e.g. to "load" the athlete until he actually becomes weaker and then subsequently "deload" so that he rebounds to a level higher then where he was before the "loading". One of the top S/C and sprint coach Charlie Francis (RIP) remarked that most people who train "all out" all the time without an obvious lighter or heavier period end up staying in the awkard zone that is not heavy enough (due to fatigue and underrecovery) to make optimum progress but not light enough to facilitate recovery or enable technical improvement; it should be the contrast between periods of overreaching and lighter loading then drives the quickest progress. | ||
| tonyjb72 | | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 10:02 |
 abs by summer 2011? Experts opinions vary Member 290, 2552 posts | tlast2O12dude said:I think that if we all share our personal experiences this thread could healp other people to detect their own pre-overtraining. I know that i'm a few workouts away from overtraining when: ( based on personal experiences, not books ):
Sounds like having a young baby.... | ||
| bignige1986 | | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 10:05 |
 Taleban says his views on women are extreme Member 639, 3518 posts SQ 10, BP 10, DL 1030.0 kgs @ 10kgs Eq | Ahh just rememberd the best eg of overtraining i have is to do with the body unable to repair right basically when i started trainin at osg with jack etc i had a small ingrowing hair in my chest, i found it after a sunday events session and popped it, it returned with a vengance and went septic, turned into an abcess, infected my limphnodes and made me ill due to my body being unable to fight off infection as it was f**ked from training thus resulting to me being off work for a week and know ive got a lovely scar under my tit  ha | ||
| MrSmall | | ... | 12-11-2010 @ 10:20 |
Gone and easily forgotten....... Member 331, 22298 posts SQ 185, BP 100, DL 230515.0 kgs @ 85kgs UnEq | bignige1986 said:Ahh just rememberd the best eg of overtraining i have is to do with the body unable to repair right basically when i started trainin at osg with jack etc i had a small ingrowing hair in my chest, i found it after a sunday events session and popped it, it returned with a vengance and went septic, turned into an abcess, infected my limphnodes and made me ill due to my body being unable to fight off infection as it was f**ked from training thus resulting to me being off work for a week and know ive got a lovely scar under my tit haThat's just you being an unhygienic c**t Niall  | ||