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samue1sonIcon...19-06-2015 @ 16:21 
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luki said:
I'm curious do you think the USA, Canada, Australia or China suffer by sharing a joint constitution and laws amongst their respective states/regions?


I don't really understand the question Luki. Not least because I'm under-educated for political demographics. I have no idea how or if they suffer in any way.

My ideal world has no borders and no passports but I'm a dreamer.
WILLSANIcon...19-06-2015 @ 16:23 
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Cuddles said:
Do you think that the EU itself is fundamentally flawed? or just the monetary union?
(and im not trying to subtly make a point, genuinely interested in your thoughts)


I predict it will break up eventually so yeah. The reason there wasn't a stronger political union is that the European people would never have accepted it; so that, in turn, made the monetary union unworkable. I think the end result of these economic differences will be deep divisions in Europe. Particularly if divisions appear in the EUs handling of Russia at the same time.

I am against the centralisation/collectivisation as a general principle so I think it is morally flawed also.
WILLSANIcon...19-06-2015 @ 16:40 
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luki said:
Europe is deployed to 30 counties as peacekeepers.
It has the best record of promoting human rights and its citizens have more rights and enjoy a better standard of living than citizens from other parts of the world. I think this is a measure of our success vs other world powers.
EU has the best record on trying to fix issues that treaten life on earth like global warming.
We are the world leaders of science, technology and innovation. We also are where most political philosophy originated in 18,19 and 20 century and I believe whatever philosophy comes next to allow world society to develop will be European.
We are the biggist world market and can thus control a large portion of world commerce especially if we come together as one nation to forward European shared values and goals.


I think they tried that whole shared values and goals bit in Russia once - didn't end well. Wink

None of the undoubtably impressive achievements you have listed came about as the result of collectivisation. They came from culturally and politically independent states.
little_aIcon...19-06-2015 @ 17:36 
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samue1son said:
but I'm a dreamer.


you're not the only one.
lukiIcon...19-06-2015 @ 17:43 
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WILLSAN said:
I think they tried that whole shared values and goals bit in Russia once - didn't end well. Wink
None of the undoubtably impressive achievements you have listed came about as the result of collectivisation. They came from culturally and politically independent states.


I don't know anything about collectivisation/stalinism apart from what google just said!-)
NimbleIcon...20-06-2015 @ 09:08 
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luki said:
I'm curious do you think the USA, Canada, Australia or China suffer by sharing a joint constitution and laws amongst their respective states/regions?


I don't really understand the comparison with Canada and Australia; both are fairly small countries, in terms of population.

The USA is culturally homogenous, has one dominant language, a single currency, and a fairly long, successful history as a single political entity. None of these things can be said of the EU. Nonetheless, it still operates in a federal fashion, with a lot of decisions made at state, rather than national level, and even then government is "small", by European standards.

China, of course, also has a (very) long history of being and integrated political entity (albeit with oft-changing boundaries). In its current iteration, though, it only works because it is highly authoritarian and the government is very intrusive at almost ever level of public and private life. I also believe that unless major reforms take place in the next decade or so, China is doomed to suffer a huge upheaval at some point in the not-too-distant future (not something I can prove of course).

So (TLWinkR): No, N/A, N/A, Yes.
lukiIcon...20-06-2015 @ 13:02 
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So (TLWinkR): No, N/A, N/A, Yes.

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I think they all have very strong political message abroad vs EU which is a disjointed mess in world affairs. Canada is G7 big world player.
WILLSANIcon...02-07-2015 @ 16:13 
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OwenL said:im going to crete in 2 months, will i be okay? lool


Maybe not!!

http://www.ekathimerini.com/198811/article/ekathimerini/busine...
OwenLIcon...02-07-2015 @ 16:30 
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hmm ill risk it lol - off to crete so hopefully wont be too badly affected. I think taking cash is the name of the game
WILLSANIcon...02-07-2015 @ 16:50 
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Cash will be king there that's for sure. The part about food stocks for catering might be a concern though. When do you go?
OwenLIcon...02-07-2015 @ 17:00 
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16th August. I know its not in their interest to tell me about Greece's economy but Thomson assure me ill be okay. If not id like another holiday or a refund.
plonkerIcon...02-07-2015 @ 17:02 
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Willsan, I'm going to Corfu on the 14th... Will everything be ok???
WILLSANIcon...02-07-2015 @ 17:16 
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Hard to say. I would keep up with developments though. The banks are currently closed and ATMs are limited to 60 euro withdrawals. Whether that's the case in the holiday resorts I don't know. Taking as much cash as you can is probably a good idea.

They are having a referendum on Sunday which, if they vote 'no' on, may eventually trigger them exiting the EU. If that happens, who knows what that will lead to. The whole thing is incredibly unpredictable at the moment.
plonkerIcon...02-07-2015 @ 17:21 
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Crumbs 😔
WILLSANIcon...03-07-2015 @ 23:00 
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it aint looking great..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11714655/Greek-ba...

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