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| Boar |  | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 14:08 |
 Nothing left in the tank. Member 5, 25592 posts Administrator | AdamT said: Does it really feel that good?? Is your mood elevated with higher test? Reason I ask is, some people state a low mood can me a dip in testosterone. I would presume if you are on full time you will start getting diminished returns ...so upping the dose is the next step Not only do you feel invincible ..... you want to train harder , you can train harder and you DO train harder ... and recovery is quicker ..... back in the gym the next day , get them videos up on youtube !! | ||
| AdamT | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 14:17 |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5208 posts | Boar said: I would presume if you are on full time you will start getting diminished returns ...so upping the dose is the next step Not only do you feel invincible ..... you want to train harder , you can train harder and you DO train harder ... and recovery is quicker ..... back in the gym the next day , get them videos up on youtube !! I won't lie, I have been extremley tempted. My problem is I have an addictive personality. I would end up throwing all sorts of s**t in me. | ||
| Rick | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 14:34 |
 I am a bench-only guy Member 3, 10040 posts SQ 185, BP 175, DL 235595.0 kgs @ 140kgs UnEq Administrator | sprange67 said: Hi Rick, if its not rude what age are you? Forty, but thinking ahead  . | ||
| sprange67 | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 15:11 |
Member 1858, 170 posts SQ 285, BP 157.5, DL 302.5745.0 kgs @ 98.9kgs UnEq | AdamT said: I won't lie, I have been extremley tempted. My problem is I have an addictive personality. I would end up throwing all sorts of s**t in me. Me too for exactly the same reason, used to really struggle with the alcohol, so I know I cant go down that road! | ||
| justaboutpastit | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 16:16 |
Member 5268, 136 posts SQ 205, BP 125, DL 240570.0 kgs @ 106kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 03.07.2015 @ 16:21 PM by justaboutpastit AdamT said: Does it really feel that good?? Is your mood elevated with higher test? Reason I ask is, some people state a low mood can me a dip in testosterone. As far as TRT goes it is used for far more now than just low mood, but low mood/depression can be one of the indicators. It is also being used in the US for some head trauma such as repeated blows from boxing/American football. It is also being used to help treat the symptoms of combat ptsd. In most of these cases if a drop in test is found they prescribe enough to bring you up to the top lvl for your age range. The age range again is quite a new thing (last 10yrs or so I believe) as before the range was based on sliding scale taking from males aged 18-80. So back then as long as your lvls fit that range you were considered fine even if your lvls were at 60yr male and you were 20... | ||
| Boar | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 16:23 |
Nothing left in the tank. Member 5, 25592 posts Administrator | can you almost self certify in the USA aslong as you can afford it ? I thought the UK was pretty hardline, even if your levels were horribly low but within a certain range , mabie depends on the doctor | ||
| ChrisMcCarthy | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 16:27 |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | One of the things that has interested me about this thread is the "It's fine to use as long as you don't compete in a Tested Fed" angle - I wonder does this still hold water when used on something like the Professional Cycling Peloton (Circa 1997?)? | ||
| justaboutpastit | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 16:30 |
Member 5268, 136 posts SQ 205, BP 125, DL 240570.0 kgs @ 106kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 03.07.2015 @ 16:31 PM by justaboutpastit Boar said:can you almost self certify in the USA aslong as you can afford it ? I thought the UK was pretty hardline, even if your levels were horribly low but within a certain range , mabie depends on the doctor I think you still need the bloods in the US but as you said you pay for it so find a easier doc and yes you can almost self certify. A few forums actually list good (easy) TRT docs per area. I think the UK is still pretty tough but we are generally 10yrs behind the states in most things but it is coming more available now. I know several veterans with PTSD who are being treated with TRT. I myself have just changed Docs as my last wouldn't listen to me re TRT but then again she didn't listen to anything much. Saw my new doc yesterday and he is happy to investigate with bloods first which was all I wanted anyway. | ||
| RossA | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 18:34 |
 i love food Member 1042, 441 posts SQ 265, BP 212.5, DL 325802.5 kgs @ 129.1kgs UnEq | Thanks to Sam for posting. Very refreshing to hear honest stories about PED's. I've personally never been tempted and never will but have always been interested on postive and negative effects of performance enhancers on the human body. The negatives far outweigh the positives imo. I agree to the comments with regards to powerlifting. If you want to use, just compete untested. There's a choice. Just like you wouldn't rock upto a raw comp trying to hide a suit/breifs! | ||
| Robbo91 | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 19:55 |
Doesn't like tall people very much. Member 5708, 391 posts SQ 260, BP 195, DL 275730.0 kgs @ 137.5kgs UnEq | justaboutpastit said: I think you still need the bloods in the US but as you said you pay for it so find a easier doc and yes you can almost self certify. A few forums actually list good (easy) TRT docs per area. If you watched the documentary 'Bigger, Stronger, Faster' you'll see how easy it was for the chap to get prescribed TRT. I think you're right about basically finding an easy doctor, in the documentary the chap just took in a bag of someone else's piss to do the test with. Maybe it's to do with the way the US healthcare system is set up, if you've got the medical insurance to pay for something, you'll probably find a doctor willing to do it. | ||
| ChrisMcCarthy |  | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 20:03 |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | Sam is very honest - he's a good guy - but I am surprised by the amount of surprise - or at least the lack of research.... | ||
| Benvie | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 20:23 |
 embarrasingly poor bench Member 2684, 4043 posts SQ 240, BP 135, DL 275650.0 kgs @ 103kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 03.07.2015 @ 20:24 PM by Benvie Boar said:oh , I just picked 5 years from what sam said , I have heard that 1 cycle can f**k you up and some guys can do 10 years and recover. This is the biggest reason why I would never be tempted to use gear. You might be fine after years of heavy use or you might be f**ked after one or two cycles. It's the not knowing how it will affect you till you are on that discourages me. | ||
| Robbo | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 20:47 |
 When I have enough cash, I get a deep tissue. Member 465, 11029 posts SQ 240, BP 175, DL 302.5717.5 kgs @ 104kgs UnEq | I've been fully off for 12 months now I came off my last course and felt like I was dying and didn't get out of bed for 2 days. Got prescribed some gel to alleviate how I felt temporarily, then came off that and been free of it 12 months now. Since the age of 22, I've been on and off stuff for years, last course went on for 12 months (competing) and that has done the damage. Been in the hands of a specialist for 2 years nearly, monitoring me Have good and bad days but feel absolutely nowhere near my old self Energy Fatigue Low mood Those are the main problems, feel as though I'm improving a bit now though Final thing I'd like to say to all the people who think staying on would be great, and trt is wonderful. The last time I was taking testosterone it didn't make me feel better at all. It was like it did nothing, like the effects had stop working, I also know a couple of other guys in the same boat. Banging something in all the time because it makes you feel great doesn't quite work like that. Balancing hormones is beyond our own capabilities really unless you are getting thorough (and I mean thorough) monitoring. Too much test = rise in estrogen, then people use anti e's and f**k it up Too little = feel s**t Getting the dose correct = hard Then you have prolactin, dht conversion, loads of things that can end up out of whack The list goes on.... Also, as for a low dose being fairly risk free, not it f**king isn't. Exogenous test WILL raise your haemocrit (amount of red blood cells) and it HAS to be monitored!! The end result of elevated RBC can be a heart attack. Endocrinologists will monitor RBC amd take blood if it is too high (outside the normal range) I don't want to sound patronising at all (as I was the least educated of them all and had a 'f**k it' attitude) but blasé attitudes towards test can't go on and people need to be a bit more clued up on it Most guys I know who take gear, think sides are acne and aggression and water retention and have no clue what a proper pct is or how to use hcg, clomid etc. I myself was one of them and only when the s**t hit the fan did I educate myself on it to a degree as I was, as mentioned before, a total dick when it came to using. | ||
| WILLSAN | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 20:51 |
 Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16708 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | So does trt come on the nhs? ChrisMcCarthy said:Sam is very honest - he's a good guy - but I am surprised by the amount of surprise - or at least the lack of research.... Maybe because the surprise is coming from those who don't partake? Why would anyone research something that doesn't affect them? | ||
| WILLSAN | | ... | 03-07-2015 @ 20:55 |
Trump will get another four years Member 126, 16708 posts SQ 160, BP 110, DL 225495.0 kgs @ 75kgs UnEq | justaboutpastit said: I think the UK is still pretty tough but we are generally 10yrs behind the states in most things but it is coming more available now. I know several veterans with PTSD who are being treated with TRT. . U.S. healthcare is a disaster. If we are heading to that in 10 years we are f**ked. | ||