Drug testing WSM rumour
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| unit94 |  | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 11:16 |
 what is everyone's fran time? Member 3986, 10443 posts SQ 340, BP 200, DL 400940.0 kgs @ 129kgs Eq | DL1987 said:There were 25 deaths between 1975 and 2005 during marathons due to cardiac failure. That is a lot more than strength sports I assume http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/risk/sports.html Athletes ate 2.5times more at risk at heart failure than none athletes http://www.drdavidgeier.com/statistics-sudden-cardiac-death/[/... 25 people but a lot more people have ran marathons than have competed at WSM | ||
| Sparrow | | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 11:21 |
 always lookIng for the extra UT2 work. Member 9, 18279 posts SQ 210, BP 167.5, DL 260637.5 kgs @ 103kgs UnEq | unit94 said: 25 people but a lot more people have ran marathons than have competed at WSM Of course. Millions of people die while sleeping, therefore sleeping is more dangerous than running marathons. | ||
| DL1987 | | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 11:25 |
Member 5105, 667 posts SQ 220, BP 165, DL 270655.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq | unit94 said: 25 people but a lot more people have ran marathons than have competed at WSM Yes I know that. What I'm trying to say is it doesn't matter what sport you do or what peds you do or don't take there is always a risk when you put your heart under strain. It is normally existing problems that are magnified by physical activity or drug use which cause complications and death | ||
| JamesH | | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 12:12 |
 my buttocks hurt Member 337, 2119 posts SQ 300, BP 140, DL 305745.0 kgs @ 125kgs Eq | DL1987 said: And how on earth do you know how much gear each individual takes in each sport. What's to say Armstrong didn't take more than someone in strength sports?? And yes if something is available to everyone then it's their own choice to take or not to take substances that can improve performance I have a reasonable insight into what some people are doing in strongman. I've read around the BALCO affair and a bit on cycling. The aying field in strongman is level...but only if you are prepared to put your health and longevity on the line. Before testing, or before it got serious in cycling, the issue was the same. To be at the front you more or less had to do some incredibly risky things. Of course people will still continue to cheat, but the worst excesses will no doubt have been curbed. | ||
| JC | | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 12:29 |
 technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | JamesH said: I have a reasonable insight into what some people are doing in strongman. I've read around the BALCO affair and a bit on cycling. The aying field in strongman is level...but only if you are prepared to put your health and longevity on the line. I suppose it depends who the SM people you know are. The vast majority of people I speak too about the issue take very conservative amounts | ||
| JamesH | | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 12:37 |
my buttocks hurt Member 337, 2119 posts SQ 300, BP 140, DL 305745.0 kgs @ 125kgs Eq | JC said: I suppose it depends who the SM people you know are. The vast majority of people I speak too about the issue take very conservative amounts Plenty are indeed relatively sensible. But not all, and it turns strongman from a sport into something I find unpalatable. | ||
| DL1987 | | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 13:24 |
Member 5105, 667 posts SQ 220, BP 165, DL 270655.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq | JamesH said: Plenty are indeed relatively sensible. But not all, and it turns strongman from a sport into something I find unpalatable. Name one physical sport which has not had drug use to improve performance. I'd struggle to think of one. People like watching and paying sport for the fact the average person can't compete with the elite. Who would pay £££££ to go watch an average athlete or sports person when they can get better. It's the individuals choice and no one should put down their achievements because of peds because it still takes time effort and consistency to achieve what we see. | ||
| DL1987 | | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 13:24 |
Member 5105, 667 posts SQ 220, BP 165, DL 270655.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq | JamesH said: Plenty are indeed relatively sensible. But not all, and it turns strongman from a sport into something I find unpalatable. Name one physical sport which has not had drug use to improve performance. I'd struggle to think of one. People like watching and paying sport for the fact the average person can't compete with the elite. Who would pay £££££ to go watch an average athlete or sports person when they can get better. It's the individuals choice and no one should put down their achievements because of peds because it still takes time effort and consistency to achieve what we see. | ||
| McMuffin_Gains | | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 15:52 |
 Help me rescue my Insulina. Member 5366, 1090 posts | DL1987 said: Name one physical sport which has not had drug use to improve performance. Snooker | ||
| DL1987 | | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 15:54 |
Member 5105, 667 posts SQ 220, BP 165, DL 270655.0 kgs @ 98kgs UnEq | McMuffin_Gains said: Snooker Wouldn't class snooker as a physical sport but there have been drug bans in snooker. Ronnie o sulivan got a ban for drugs I believe | ||
| McMuffin_Gains | | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 16:12 |
Help me rescue my Insulina. Member 5366, 1090 posts | Well it is, technically, although not physically demanding. I was joking anyway. Depends if you're going to class Rec. drugs in amongst the PEDS which presumably is what ronnie failed a test on? People will do anything to get an edge at top level no matter what the sport is, bet even bloody chess players like the odd stim now and again to focus the mind! I admit it upsets me somewhat. If it truly is a case of choosing between your sport and your health/longevity in order to succeed then that's kind of sad. I really hope that isn't the case. At least top level athletes who 'dope' in well paid sports will have access to good doctors and have enough money for lifelong private medical care should s**t hit the fan years down the line. Unfortunately I get the impression that the 'freaks' of strongman get their 15 minutes of fame and not a lot else. I reckon a complete ban on PEDS at WSM may prove detrimental in some aspects however on the contrary I would hate to see it turn into an arms race where the winner is the one whose body can take the most chemical abuse without something popping. | ||
| 1369phil | | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 16:19 |
 doesnt work hard enough in the gym Member 1492, 2138 posts SQ 170, BP 145, DL 195510.0 kgs @ 112kgs UnEq | McMuffin_Gains said: Snooker Beta blockers - calms the heart rate down a notch for pressured matches | ||
| JC | | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 16:30 |
technical retard Member 172, 36827 posts SQ 310, BP 205, DL 335850.0 kgs @ 108kgs UnEq | McMuffin_Gains said:I reckon a complete ban on PEDS at WSM may prove detrimental in some aspects however on the contrary I would hate to see it turn into an arms race where the winner is the one whose body can take the most chemical abuse without something popping. How would it be detrimental? It would still be the same guys, they'd just lift slightly less weight | ||
| McMuffin_Gains | | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 16:53 |
Help me rescue my Insulina. Member 5366, 1090 posts | Post Edited: 08.11.2014 @ 16:54 PM by McMuffin_Gains JC said: How would it be detrimental? It would still be the same guys, they'd just lift slightly less weight Well that's it, I said only in some aspects. You would imagine weights, distances etc would decrease. Times may increase. The general overall performance would decrease. In a sport which, like most others, has evolved and with athletes the strongest and fastest they have ever been to take a significant step backwards will not go unnoticed. Would Joe public realise? maybe not however it would be detrimental to the progression of the 'record books' perhaps. I'm not arguing it either way, perhaps it's a step that needs to be taken before it all gets out of hand. Please don't flame me for this because i'm merely quoting an acquaintance. A lad I know, who isn't one to BS recently took a trip over to Iceland and visited a certain gym over there which sounds similar to 'Jack's doll'. He watched a group of strongmen training including one who's name maybe similar to 'Half a door born son'. He claims these guys trained like demons and stopped briefly halfway through to eat and "pin" and then started all over again, shaking like a s**tting dog. That, to me, is 'unpalatable' Edited - some puncutation | ||
| Steve | | ... | 08-11-2014 @ 22:16 |
nothing to hide, please follow my life on webcam Member 255, 3732 posts | JC said: How would it be detrimental? It would still be the same guys, they'd just lift slightly less weight Are you sure? From what I've seen some people gain huge amounts whilst some experience much smaller improvements. | ||