Drug free and disillusionment
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| Bim |  | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 22:59 |
 6:19.WTF Member 3359, 3677 posts SQ 250, BP 210, DL 295755.0 kgs @ 89kgs UnEq | JohnGym said: ChrisMcCarthy said: Of course there is - if you believe (quite probably correctly) that your competition is also doing the same. I was hoping for clarity on this statement, particularly the emboldened part. I think accusing everyone of being a drug user is irresponsible. Yep, I agree, your statement reads as though you think most lifters in tested feds take PEDs, is that really what you think? | ||
| ChrisMcCarthy |  | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 23:10 |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | Bim said: Yep, I agree, your statement reads as though you think most lifters in tested feds take PEDs, is that really what you think? At high levels? Yes. Bear in mind that I was responding directly to Wayne's comment that there wouldn't be any "sense of achievement to it", which doesn't seem to be the case even amongst many of those who have actually been caught trying to win "Drug Free" competitions. | ||
| slow_lift_joe | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 23:14 |
Interesting Member 6186, 245 posts | I would say most are drug free and decent honest lifters in the main powerlifting/strongman circuit. When it comes serious money and elite lifters who know what goes on. I am a recreational lifter and I compete against myself and some times I encourage others or they encourage me but I have not seen any banned drugs being used :- Blood Doping, Androgenic Agents, Anabolic Agents, Hormones, Masking Agents, Narcotics, Glucocorticoids and Cannabinoids. But what I do see is a lot is stimulants :- Caffeine. Sports Drinks. Whey. I would debate they are enhancing and some sports drinks are diuretic banned substances. In the 21st century sport has changed and I think at times we cross a grey area with supplementation and "Sports Enhancement Supplements" I am older of another generation. (Not quite Saxon or Sandow) Old school, I like clean, up against myself and building strength in a natural way, but that is not to say I do not like my coffee black. What I do find interesting is Louie Simmons states quite clearly he has no problem with steroids in powerlifting. I like Louie but I do not agree with him on this point. But he has forgotten more about powerlifting than I know, so who am I compared to the elite he has trained, I would like a debate with him on this very point. I look at this way I want to be strong naturally so I do it natural. Using PED's your true strength is not true strength but a false gauge and a decline in your true strength will follow when you are not on the juice. Slow Lift Joe. | ||
| FAT_SAM | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 23:45 |
 more like 'FAT TROLL' Member 984, 6331 posts SQ 420, BP 260, DL 3351015.0 kgs @ 165kgs UnEq | Yeah but if you use and choose to compete untested it's fine. Level playing field an all. I don't know about you but I don't know any oxys that have ever benched 500lb+, you've still got to bust your arse. | ||
| Bim | | ... | 06-06-2017 @ 00:02 |
6:19.WTF Member 3359, 3677 posts SQ 250, BP 210, DL 295755.0 kgs @ 89kgs UnEq | ChrisMcCarthy said: Bim said: Yep, I agree, your statement reads as though you think most lifters in tested feds take PEDs, is that really what you think? At high levels? Yes. Bear in mind that I was responding directly to Wayne's comment that there wouldn't be any "sense of achievement to it", which doesn't seem to be the case even amongst many of those who have actually been caught trying to win "Drug Free" competitions. I simply don't believe that. I can be competitive with the best of them in my class, and I know I don't take them, 10% on my total would blow away any competition. Anyway, I know you have no reason to believe me, but that reasoning pretty much settles if for me. | ||
| Bim | | ... | 06-06-2017 @ 00:04 |
6:19.WTF Member 3359, 3677 posts SQ 250, BP 210, DL 295755.0 kgs @ 89kgs UnEq | FAT_SAM said:Yeah but if you use and choose to compete untested it's fine. Level playing field an all. I don't know about you but I don't know any oxys that have ever benched 500lb+, you've still got to bust your arse. I don't think most people have a problem with that at all, not much I enjoy more than watching some of the untested guys go at it. | ||
| FAT_SAM | | ... | 06-06-2017 @ 00:11 |
more like 'FAT TROLL' Member 984, 6331 posts SQ 420, BP 260, DL 3351015.0 kgs @ 165kgs UnEq | Bim said: I don't think most people have a problem with that at all, not much I enjoy more than watching some of the untested guys go at it. This is what I don't get I openly use and get a lot of stick for it, but I only have ever competed where they're allowed so what's the problem. It's not even as if they're illegal in the UK. | ||
| KevC86 | | ... | 06-06-2017 @ 05:08 |
 Member 5141, 4385 posts SQ 300, BP 180, DL 350830.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq | FAT_SAM said: This is what I don't get I openly use and get a lot of stick for it, but I only have ever competed where they're allowed so what's the problem. It's not even as if they're illegal in the UK. This. Ive been subjected to rants how bad steroids are from numerous coke abusing pissheads. | ||
| fctilidie | | ... | 06-06-2017 @ 08:50 |
Grandad Goatse Member 2494, 5035 posts SQ 120, BP 110, DL 125355.0 kgs @ 67kgs UnEq | FAT_SAM said: This is what I don't get I openly use and get a lot of stick for it, but I only have ever competed where they're allowed so what's the problem. It's not even as if they're illegal in the UK. I'll never get my head around this, why would anyone give you stick for using in a federation of a sport that allows it? I have zero problem with anyone that uses, well that's a bit of a lie, I do a have a problem with people that use and don't have the work effect to make it worth it ha. I've had friends that use and have made amazing progress, but I've also had a few friends that use and just don't train hard enough to see any results. A lot of people seem to starting using way too soon in my opinion, at least build a decent strength level first. I am only basing this on people I know of course. | ||
| Jaybuk | | ... | 06-06-2017 @ 10:18 |
Member 6130, 110 posts | FAT_SAM said:Yeah but if you use and choose to compete untested it's fine. Level playing field an all. I don't know about you but I don't know any oxys that have ever benched 500lb+, you've still got to bust your arse. Hate the scrawny prats oh if I took what he did I'd bench 200+ sure mate! I'm personally not interested in taking anything but know that guys on at the higher levels of the sport absolutely bust there arse to get there disrespectful to think anything else to be honest | ||
| matthewvc | | ... | 06-06-2017 @ 10:43 |
 ‘downsizing’ Member 5704, 3347 posts SQ 280, BP 210, DL 320810.0 kgs @ 96.3kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 06.06.2017 @ 10:51 AM by matthewvc you can't use your own numbers and drug free status as barometer of how clean others are.over 600 at 93kg is a pretty decent total under IPF rules, there's certainly plenty in the untested feds not hitting those numbers (at 90) and on all sort of PEDs. if you start comparing yourself to what others may being doing, it becomes depressing. even in untested you get people b**ching about how much more gear people are on. just lift with you head held high you aren't cheating the testing rule of your fed, ignore what anyone else is lifting. not like you're going to miss out on a multi-million pound reebok contract if you aren't winning. it's powerlifting... the sport that you pay £200 in hotel costs, entry fees, petrol etc to come away with a small trophy. i forgot to add -- that test result file posted shows the big problem that would nip a lot of usage in the bud: OOC testing. lifters can do effective PED cycles, ensuring they come off and avoid well known long term detectable metabolites (deca etc) pretty much all the benefits from the drugs are still there (minus the comp day aggression an untested lifter has with various banned substances on the day) | ||
| FAT_SAM | | ... | 06-06-2017 @ 10:45 |
more like 'FAT TROLL' Member 984, 6331 posts SQ 420, BP 260, DL 3351015.0 kgs @ 165kgs UnEq | I can bench 220kg on trt (1ml every 10 days) basically this serves to replace the testosterone I would be producing naturally if I hadn't gone down the ped route. I'll continue to do trt after retiring from powerlifting just for quality of life - for a man there isn't much worse than having low test. The health issues from LOW TEST are scientifically proven and not a case of 'omgggg roidzzzz he's gonna die young' lol. | ||
| FAT_SAM | | ... | 06-06-2017 @ 10:48 |
more like 'FAT TROLL' Member 984, 6331 posts SQ 420, BP 260, DL 3351015.0 kgs @ 165kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 06.06.2017 @ 10:48 AM by FAT_SAM matthewvc said: it's powerlifting... the sport that you pay £200 in hotel costs, entry fees, petrol etc to come away with a small trophy. This. We do it for the pride not the money. For me there would be no pride in winning a comp that is drug tested knowing I'm on drugs. | ||
| AdamT | | ... | 06-06-2017 @ 10:48 |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5208 posts | matthewvc said:you can't use your own numbers and drug free status as barometer of how clean others are. over 600 at 93kg is a pretty decent total under IPF rules, there's certainly plenty in the untested feds not hitting those numbers (at 90) and on all sort of PEDs. if you start comparing yourself to what others may being doing, it becomes depressing. even in untested you get people b**ching about how much more gear people are on. just lift with you head held high you aren't cheating the testing rule of your fed, ignore what anyone else is lifting. not like you're going to miss out on a multi-million pound reebok contract if you aren't winning. it's powerlifting... the sport that you pay £200 in hotel costs, entry fees, petrol etc to come away with a small trophy. I like the post and agree. Get the total you're capable of and let others worry about themselves. If someone enters tested while on? It sucks balls and is awful. However good/bad the testing is, nobody can do nothing about it. I would like to think most test lifters are drugfree. | ||
| jrepp | | ... | 06-06-2017 @ 10:52 |
Member 299, 579 posts SQ 250, BP 200, DL 282.5732.5 kgs @ 109kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 06.06.2017 @ 10:52 AM by jrepp Drug users should just lift untested. However,in conversations I've had with guys who take gear who are looking into competing they usually state that the top untested guys "take everything" all year round and that they can't compete against them. This reason coupled with their opinion that drug use is rife in tested comps helps them justify their decision to compete in a drug free fed.If someone says he's clean then I take it on his word. But if he hasn't been training long, is young,weighs 100kg or less and benches 180+ he's on my suspect list lol. Same goes for a ripped 120+ guy,or somebody who deadlifts 320+. Or the lifter who totals more in the gym and never lifts his best on the platform. These are not proof that the person takes gear its just my personal observation of gym users over the years. Personally, I would concentrate on my lifting. There is no point worrying about who is taking what, this is out of your control. Let them get on with it, may be one day they will get caught. | ||