Drug free and disillusionment
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| John |  | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 17:45 |
#biggef Member 5263, 3492 posts SQ 260, BP 195, DL 260715.0 kgs @ 130kgs UnEq | umpalumpalifter said:I honestly don't know why someone would - but the again I struggle to understand why people steal and hurt others. Least with crimes there's some compensation - drug fuelled in a tested fed for what? Applauds from half a dozen other lifters? I've been heavily involved in drug tested powerlifting, strongman and bodybuilding. I'm sure there's plenty of cheats but think the majority of people are clean - if they are not then they are pretty s**t or I overestimate what advantage drugs offer This as well  | ||
| FAT_SAM |  | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 19:15 |
 more like 'FAT TROLL' Member 984, 6331 posts SQ 420, BP 260, DL 3351015.0 kgs @ 165kgs UnEq | At a high level drug-tested powerlifting is rife with cheats, like any other sport. It doesn't really make sense with there being plenty of good untested recognised feds, though. | ||
| umpalumpalifter | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 19:19 |
Member 5836, 366 posts SQ 220, BP 137.5, DL 235592.5 kgs @ 80kgs UnEq | FAT_SAM said:At a high level drug-tested powerlifting is rife with cheats, like any other sport. It doesn't really make sense with there being plenty of good untested recognised feds, though. That's the wuestion though - does having tested and untested decrease those who use? In comparison to an amauter competition where theres one fed who follow WADA? | ||
| Wayne_Cowdrey | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 19:49 |
 Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22344 posts | Surely there can be no sense of achievement? | ||
| ChrisMcCarthy | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 19:51 |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | Wayne_Cowdrey said:Surely there can be no sense of achievement? Of course there is - if you believe (quite probably correctly) that your competition is also doing the same. | ||
| FAT_SAM | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 20:07 |
more like 'FAT TROLL' Member 984, 6331 posts SQ 420, BP 260, DL 3351015.0 kgs @ 165kgs UnEq | umpalumpalifter said: That's the wuestion though - does having tested and untested decrease those who use? In comparison to an amauter competition where theres one fed who follow WADA? Maybe slightly, yes. I think one year the Battle of Champions was filled exclusively with athletes banned from the IPF. So, it happens. | ||
| JohnGym | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 20:08 |
 Hamstrings feel activated. Member 1107, 6964 posts SQ 220, BP 152.5, DL 252.5625.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | ChrisMcCarthy said: Of course there is - if you believe (quite probably correctly) that your competition is also doing the same. So you think everyone takes PEDs then? | ||
| AdamT | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 20:09 |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5208 posts | Hi Boys! See this f**king train station craic. Is it f**king drug tested or what? If I'm fighting, I want f**king Wada involved. I don't want some hulk c**t sniffing a line of Halo and flying out of a train. Anyway back on topic. | ||
| Wayne_Cowdrey | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 20:10 |
Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22344 posts | ChrisMcCarthy said: Of course there is - if you believe (quite probably correctly) that your competition is also doing the same. Nah, can't see that myself. | ||
| ChrisMcCarthy | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 22:04 |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | Post Edited: 05.06.2017 @ 22:07 PM by ChrisMcCarthy JohnGym said: So you think everyone takes PEDs then? I believe they "Pass" or "Do Not Pass" the Drug Test, yes. Outside of that I wouldn't waste my time worrying about it overly. EDIT: Given the recent spout of retroactively-banned Athletes I should really say they ""Pass" or "Do Not Pass" the currently utilised version of the Drugs Test, yes".... | ||
| JohnGym | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 22:16 |
Hamstrings feel activated. Member 1107, 6964 posts SQ 220, BP 152.5, DL 252.5625.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | Sorry, still not clear. Let's use me as an example. I compete in and sometimes win Powerlifting contests. Am I a drug user? | ||
| ChrisMcCarthy | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 22:24 |
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts | JohnGym said:Sorry, still not clear. Let's use me as an example. I compete in and sometimes win Powerlifting contests. Am I a drug user? No, I was clear on what you were saying - I was trying to avoid either offending you or giving you an excuse to act offended (please delete as appropriate). I know you pass Drug Tests...I have absolutely no way of knowing whether you are a PED User or not. | ||
| AdamT | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 22:26 |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5208 posts | JohnGym said:Sorry, still not clear. Let's use me as an example. I compete in and sometimes win Powerlifting contests. Am I a drug user? Winning doesn't matter. 600kg could win one comp, yet not place in another. Some c**t could total 650 natural, while some other c**t struggles way 600 juiced to the gills. Drug testing is not perfect, but if someone passes a test, we have to give benefit of the doubt. | ||
| JohnGym | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 22:28 |
Hamstrings feel activated. Member 1107, 6964 posts SQ 220, BP 152.5, DL 252.5625.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | ChrisMcCarthy said: Of course there is - if you believe (quite probably correctly) that your competition is also doing the same. I was hoping for clarity on this statement, particularly the emboldened part. I think accusing everyone of being a drug user is irresponsible. | ||
| JohnGym | | ... | 05-06-2017 @ 22:29 |
Hamstrings feel activated. Member 1107, 6964 posts SQ 220, BP 152.5, DL 252.5625.0 kgs @ 93kgs UnEq | AdamT said: Winning doesn't matter. 600kg could win one comp, yet not place in another. Some c**t could total 650 natural, while some other c**t struggles way 600 juiced to the gills. Drug testing is not perfect, but if someone passes a test, we have to give benefit of the doubt. Absolutely agree. | ||