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Ben_Tricky_BurgessIcon...01-10-2010 @ 09:10 
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martin said:
Even so, I think a 1000kg ish total in single ply is better than any other lifter has done under 110kg isnt it?

No.

The current 100kg senior total record in the IPF is 1037.5 by Freydun, Belayev has also done 1025 at 100, i imagine there are a couple more 'evs', 'ovs' and 'skis' that have gone over 1000 at 100.

The 110 record is 1060 (Suslov) so there are probably quite a few 110's that have gone over 1000.

If we're talking 1000kg "ish", Belayev did 980 at 90.
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Powergirl44 said:
Dont know...
Did you go to watch WEC?


No - stayed at homeUnhappy
Martin_JonesIcon...01-10-2010 @ 12:47 
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Col_Austin said:
I think the point that is being made is that he is not as strong raw as we might have expected, given his monstrous squat and bench press numbers.


Well for a 110kg lifter his raw numbers are pretty good (I'll find out what his numbers are). But like you said previously he has mastered the art of kit, hence the bigger comparision.
martinIcon...01-10-2010 @ 16:18 
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Ben_Tricky_Burgess said:
No.
The current 100kg senior total record in the IPF is 1037.5 by Freydun, Belayev has also done 1025 at 100, i imagine there are a couple more 'evs', 'ovs' and 'skis' that have gone over 1000 at 100.
The 110 record is 1060 (Suslov) so there are probably quite a few 110's that have gone over 1000.
If we're talking 1000kg "ish", Belayev did 980 at 90.


Lol I meant UK lifters not World records. I also assume if Craig were to lift single ply he'd actually be alot stronger today than he was 4+ years ago when he lifted single ply.
aaron_lohanIcon...01-10-2010 @ 17:24 
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Ben_Tricky_Burgess said:
No.
The current 100kg senior total record in the IPF is 1037.5 by Freydun, Belayev has also done 1025 at 100, i imagine there are a couple more 'evs', 'ovs' and 'skis' that have gone over 1000 at 100.
The 110 record is 1060 (Suslov) so there are probably quite a few 110's that have gone over 1000.
If we're talking 1000kg "ish", Belayev did 980 at 90.


Belyaev has done 1070 at 100kg at the Russian cup of titans. A 82.5kg lifter did 917.5kg at the RUssian cup lately.
Joseph_WaltonIcon...03-10-2010 @ 02:14 
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I heard craig was very strong out of the equipment in the squat, 350 in just a belt. I may have got that wrong but i wouldn't be surprised, his jump in bench strength just shows what you can do when you learn it properly.
RobboIcon...03-10-2010 @ 13:31 
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Martin_Jones said:
he has mastered the art of kit,


This is what i hate about powerlifting
dr_hazbunIcon...03-10-2010 @ 14:36 
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Robbo said:
This is what i hate about powerlifting


why?

some strong guys never master powerlifting kit just like some strong guys never master stones/fingals fingers/apollons etc.
RobboIcon...03-10-2010 @ 15:39 
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dr_hazbun said:
why?
some strong guys never master powerlifting kit just like some strong guys never master stones/fingals fingers/apollons etc.


Mastering something that does a lot of the lift for you is just something i cant stand. Im talking about the bench shirts and squat suits in particular. Its an old arguement really which has been gone over many times before.

You dont wear that stuff to lift a fingals finger, stone etc.
Martin_JonesIcon...03-10-2010 @ 19:32 
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Robbo said:
This is what i hate about powerlifting


Yes I agree with you, but that is powerlifting these days... that's ok besause it's the same for everyone.
Ben_Tricky_BurgessIcon...08-10-2010 @ 12:18 
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Robbo said:
You dont wear that stuff to lift a fingals finger, stone etc.

You dont wear kit to help, but its still a skill you must learn - think of the kit like the technique and co-ordination needed to do well on the fingers, or your preferred style on the truck pull. Its something you have to learn to do well at in order to suceed and it means that, sometimes, a strong and skillful/agile guy will beat a guy who is slightly strong but less skillful. That makes it more interesting to watch IMO.

IMO the kit introduces a skill element to the powerlifts that makes what is an incredibly boring sport a teeny bit more interesting to watch. If you're never sure whether a guy is gonna smoke a weight or its all gonna f**k up and catapult him across the room thats bullit IMO.
IainKendrickIcon...08-10-2010 @ 12:27 
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It reduces the sport of PL not adds Happy
PearceIcon...08-10-2010 @ 14:13 
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But in reality Kit isnt very exciting to watch when compared ot raw is it Ben. Lifter miss or make the attmept as they would raw but with numbers they shouldnt be able to handle. Watching the IPF worlds no one got flung out from underneath the bar or failed in a more glamorous manner than they would raw. The benches there maybe one ro two near decapitations but, than again with the shirts there tend sot be less lifts "ground out" they either tend to destroy the lift or fail completey. In terms of what it is to watch the kit just makes the walk onto the platform a freakshow.

Powerlifitng SHOULD be closer to a test of PURE STRENGTH imo. With the addition of kit one of the worst things that happens now is that a sumo puller stands to gain more than a conventional generally speaking. Thats isnt really fair. With Squat and Bench everybody can learn and choose to use training methods that help them develop significant carryover in kit however someone not built to Sumo has to sacrifice some gain there.

The huge majority of the elite are kit lifters as thats where the most well known world titles are.
martinIcon...08-10-2010 @ 16:17 
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Pearce said:But in reality Kit isnt very exciting to watch when compared ot raw is it Ben. Lifter miss or make the attmept as they would raw but with numbers they shouldnt be able to handle. Watching the IPF worlds no one got flung out from underneath the bar or failed in a more glamorous manner than they would raw. The benches there maybe one ro two near decapitations but, than again with the shirts there tend sot be less lifts "ground out" they either tend to destroy the lift or fail completey. In terms of what it is to watch the kit just makes the walk onto the platform a freakshow.

Powerlifitng SHOULD be closer to a test of PURE STRENGTH imo. With the addition of kit one of the worst things that happens now is that a sumo puller stands to gain more than a conventional generally speaking. Thats isnt really fair. With Squat and Bench everybody can learn and choose to use training methods that help them develop significant carryover in kit however someone not built to Sumo has to sacrifice some gain there.

The huge majority of the elite are kit lifters as thats where the most well known world titles are.


But everyone wants to see people lift bigger numbers not smaller ones. Those who compete equipped usually enjoy it more than lifting raw and those who moan usually are not the ones who compete so they dont make much difference. If everyone in the IPF turned around and wanted kit removed then it may be a different story.

I suppose you can argue the same for strongman today - it's not a test of strength anymore more a test of combined fitness and moderate strength levels lol.
jreppIcon...08-10-2010 @ 17:30 
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I spoke to the owner of the gym Craig trains at and he said he had to spot him before and he had 245 or 255 on the bar for bench.

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