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Martin_JonesIcon...21-06-2011 @ 12:15 
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Looks a good comp. Hopefully I'll be there to support my mate/training partner Emil. Goodluck!!
Ben_SomethingIcon...21-06-2011 @ 12:15 
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I think the point Smalls was trying to make is that the top 2 from Englands 105's dont qualify for anything other than another 105 comp. To qualify for a open comp you need to compete in a open comp...

Should woods be allowed a spot at Worlds strongest man for winning the UK 105's last year? No, and i dont really see how this is ay different.

There is no guarantee that the top 4 opens will all be better than the best 105, but the whole reason for having weight limits is that in general the heavy guys out peform the small lightier people.
MrSmallIcon...21-06-2011 @ 12:20 
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Ben_F said:
Makes no sense Smalls, re-type in English please!


LOL I re-read that and about 3 words too many Grin

Discus Ben got the idea though, I meant by that logic then the ESM u105 top 2 guys would qualify for the UK opens, ahead of the 3rd and 4th places ESM opens guys.

I was more clarifying that having a moan or anything by the way.

JC said:
Joe Gorton finished 2nd in the Northern Opens. Is he better than Marsden? No!


That's purely speculation though as Marsden qualified for the u105 and Joe the opens. In reality, probably not better, but results are results.
JCIcon...21-06-2011 @ 12:20 
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Ben_Something said:I think the point Smalls was trying to make is that the top 2 from Englands 105's dont qualify for anything other than another 105 comp. To qualify for a open comp you need to compete in a open comp...

Should woods be allowed a spot at Worlds strongest man for winning the UK 105's last year? No, and i dont really see how this is ay different.

There is no guarantee that the top 4 opens will all be better than the best 105, but the whole reason for having weight limits is that in general the heavy guys out peform the small lightier people.


Aye, thats a fair point I suppose

If it was clear from the outset that only the opens qualified for Worlds, I suppose a lot more of the 105s mjay have done the opens
Ben_FIcon...21-06-2011 @ 12:26 
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MrSmall said:
Ben_F said:
Makes no sense Smalls, re-type in English please!


LOL I re-read that and about 3 words too many Grin

Discus Ben got the idea though, I meant by that logic then the ESM u105 top 2 guys would qualify for the UK opens, ahead of the 3rd and 4th places ESM opens guys.

I was more clarifying that having a moan or anything by the way.

JC said:
Joe Gorton finished 2nd in the Northern Opens. Is he better than Marsden? No!


That's purely speculation though as Marsden qualified for the u105 and Joe the opens. In reality, probably not better, but results are results.


Gotcha!
Ben_SomethingIcon...21-06-2011 @ 12:27 
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I wasn't aware that qualification for worlds had been mentioned prior to the regional qualifiers (I may well be wrong), the main reason i decided to do the opens in the final was so i had a shot at qualifying for the worlds.
Ben_FIcon...21-06-2011 @ 12:28 
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Perhaps three from he Opens and one from the 105s would be better. Would be a shame for the 105s champ not to get a crack at it or the opportunity to progress... and I would apply the same for the non-tested guys too... would be good.
craigmancIcon...21-06-2011 @ 12:36 
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Ben_F said:Perhaps three from he Opens and one from the 105s would be better. Would be a shame for the 105s champ not to get a crack at it or the opportunity to progress... and I would apply the same for the non-tested guys too... would be good.


This is what I am pushing for now! Will know by end of day
WILLSANIcon...21-06-2011 @ 12:40 
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looking at the events it wouldnt be that hard at all to merge the 2 competitions into one. score them all together and take the 105s placings from the overall. that way, whoevers strongest, 105 or open, goes through.

events could be something like this -

Medley 380 Tyre Flip (3 flips), 280 Yoke 20 mtrs, 280 Titans tank 20 mtrs
Log Press For Reps 110kg or 120kg - 1 rep with the heavy beats any with the light
Farmers Walk 110kg or 125kg for distance - need at least 50m with the heavy to score
Skip Deadlift (18 inch 2 inch axle) 240 qualifing weight then four nominated lifts. LAST MAN STANDING
Conans Wheel 240kg or 280kg - need 2 revs with the heavy to score
Stones to Wall 90,110,130,140,155

would probably be easier and faster to run that way too.

just a thought! Grin Wink
Ben_SomethingIcon...21-06-2011 @ 12:49 
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I think its better to keep them as seperate comps, gets very confusing otherwise!

I think 3 and 1 is a fair comprimise, it would be a shame for the 105's not to have any form of progression from the comp.

What we really need is a 105 World naturals, lol.
BushingmanIcon...21-06-2011 @ 13:15 
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Ben_Something said:Whats the reasoning behind two qualification spots for the 105's?

The Worlds is a open comp, there is no reason to be 105. The world naturals is a great oppurtunity and should (in my opinion) be given to the best 4 athletes.

As it stands some very good opens will miss out on the chance to compete, i mean no disrespect to the 105's (afterall i am a 105 and I know for a fact that some would do very well against the opens) but i think we would take a better quality of athletes to the worlds if qualification was from the opens.

I know in previous years selection for the World naturals has caused problems, with many feeling it has been unfair. So even as it stands its a big improvement, but i cant see why 105 athletes should be favoured over the opens in a open comp.

I dont know what others think, perhaps other competitors could express an opinion.


Agree 100% with this. Although i won the 105 last didn't get an invite to the worlds.
craigmancIcon...21-06-2011 @ 13:34 
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Bushingman said:
Agree 100% with this. Although i won the 105 last didn't get an invite to the worlds.



Last year the naturals was all so up in the air. People sent email's and got an invite! This year there is more direction and next year hopefully there will be 105's and open weight classes.
Rob_BushIcon...21-06-2011 @ 13:53 
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Just my thoughts...

As the standard of competition in the 105kg category is always very good then any 105kg competitors who believe they have a chance to qualify for the Natural World's Strongest Man should request to compete with the Opens - and lift the weights already set for that category. This way, the strongest four competitors will represent the UK at the World's. Unfortunately, a 105 competitor who takes that chance competing with the Opens, will forfeit the chance of being the National champion in his own weight category but the that's just the way it is as I see it. It's a decision that each competitor will have to make. Let's hope there's a Natural 105s next year!
BushingmanIcon...21-06-2011 @ 14:03 
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Rob_Bush said:Just my thoughts...

As the standard of competition in the 105kg category is always very good then any 105kg competitors who believe they have a chance to qualify for the Natural World's Strongest Man should request to compete with the Opens - and lift the weights already set for that category. This way, the strongest four competitors will represent the UK at the World's. Unfortunately, a 105 competitor who takes that chance competing with the Opens, will forfeit the chance of being the National champion in his own weight category but the that's just the way it is as I see it. It's a decision that each competitor will have to make. Let's hope there's a Natural 105s next year!


yeah it looks like this is what Ben has done and fair play to him for going for it. Craig wasn't having a go buddy i was in no fit state to compete when the worlds came round anyway as it was week my daughter was born and i was getting about 3hrs Kip a night. Much love.
Rob_BushIcon...21-06-2011 @ 14:32 
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Bushingman said:
yeah it looks like this is what Ben has done and fair play to him for going for it. Craig wasn't having a go buddy i was in no fit state to compete when the worlds came round anyway as it was week my daughter was born and i was getting about 3hrs Kip a night. Much love.


It's fantastic that 105 competitors - both natural and other - are mixing things up with the heavier Open competitors as it makes for more exciting an well rounded competitions. After all, even in the Open category one competitor can outweigh another by 10 stone! So a 16st 5lb competitor up against a 20st guy may yield certain static differences but explosiveness, endurance and speed may be in the favour of the lighter, more dynamic athlete. As long as the sport doesn't become too much like the boxing where if you take a good dump you can compete 3 weight classes below!

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