Balls to the wall or gas in the tank?
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| The_Lechamotive |  | Balls to the wall or gas in the tank? | 22-11-2015 @ 13:38 |
 balls one size too big Member 338, 604 posts SQ 175, BP 130, DL 210515.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | For example, you hit your top set and then take 20% of the bar for a drop set. I have a tendency to keep going until failure, is is smarter to leave a rep or two in the bag and recover faster for the next session? or just go all out and take the intensity rewards? Thanks for any pointers / opinions. | ||
| JackRevans | | ... | 22-11-2015 @ 13:44 |
 'There was also a sausage in my mouth.' Member 2477, 16481 posts SQ 190, BP 130, DL 235555.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq | Post Edited: 22.11.2015 @ 13:44 PM by JackRevans have you tried balls in the tank? or perhaps gass in the balls? | ||
| The_Lechamotive | | ... | 22-11-2015 @ 13:54 |
balls one size too big Member 338, 604 posts SQ 175, BP 130, DL 210515.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | If they will help me get a pb this winter, I'm totally up for trying them. | ||
| Alex76 | | ... | 22-11-2015 @ 14:07 |
Member 4975, 58 posts | There is something like a linear relationship between intensity and adaptation and an exponential relationship between intensity and fatigue. Also, the main driver of adaptation (particularly hypertrophy) is volume. Training close failure results in significantly greater fatigue than training short of failure, but not significantly greater adaptation. That greater fatigue will also reduce the amount of volume that can be done. So, although training to failure can be effective occasionally and in the short term, it's probably not wise to train to failure all of the time. | ||
| DeanW92 |  | ... | 22-11-2015 @ 20:24 |
Member 4496, 1446 posts SQ 240, BP 200, DL 300740.0 kgs @ 112kgs UnEq | The_Lechamotive said:For example, you hit your top set and then take 20% of the bar for a drop set. I have a tendency to keep going until failure, is is smarter to leave a rep or two in the bag and recover faster for the next session? or just go all out and take the intensity rewards? Thanks for any pointers / opinions. Frequency of the lifts is probably a big factor, I think that it is probably un-neccessary to go to failure though. | ||
| Wayne_Cowdrey | | ... | 22-11-2015 @ 20:56 |
 Still got a little bit of strength Member 400, 22300 posts | I find it psychologically beneficial not to fail. Stop 1 rep short of failure. | ||
| AMH_Power | | ... | 22-11-2015 @ 21:06 |
we ride at dawn Member 4363, 1442 posts SQ 310, BP 250, DL 320880.0 kgs @ 104kgs UnEq | Rep outs destroy power in my experience; both as a lifter and coach. Rep outs teach conservation and efficiency.... efficiency is the absolute enemy of proficiency. I'd rather fail on 3 reps knowing I tried lifting each one like I wanted to throw it through the roof... then achieve 8 because I conserved. | ||
| Fazc | | ... | 22-11-2015 @ 21:45 |
 Sports an extremely muscular arse. Member 38, 6253 posts | If you're going to do this drop set to failure regularly I would do it to absolute failure when you have a deload/light week the week after. Other times leave a few in the tank and focus on quality of reps. | ||
| matthewvc | | ... | 22-11-2015 @ 22:16 |
 ‘downsizing’ Member 5704, 3347 posts SQ 280, BP 210, DL 320810.0 kgs @ 96.3kgs UnEq | Drop sets are worthless - does anyone, even the most trensiluna bb do them nowadays? - they should be throw in the dustbin of history along with superslow and 'beyond failure' crap. Multiple sets, low reps move bar fast as possible ( doesn't have to be Westside speed days light - 80% max even) | ||
| AdamT | | ... | 22-11-2015 @ 22:21 |
AKA the great reset Member 4056, 5208 posts | Trensulina? I think that's the main ingredient in Cell Tech! Apparently Ronnie Coleman used it with ZMA. | ||
| JackRevans | | ... | 23-11-2015 @ 00:22 |
'There was also a sausage in my mouth.' Member 2477, 16481 posts SQ 190, BP 130, DL 235555.0 kgs @ 83kgs UnEq | What a beautiful word | ||
| IrishMarc | | ... | 23-11-2015 @ 14:13 |
no really Irish Member 1196, 5908 posts SQ 312, BP 230, DL 320862.0 kgs @ 114kgs UnEq | AMH_Power said:Rep outs destroy power in my experience; both as a lifter and coach. Rep outs teach conservation and efficiency.... efficiency is the absolute enemy of proficiency. I'd rather fail on 3 reps knowing I tried lifting each one like I wanted to throw it through the roof... then achieve 8 because I conserved. I am finding this have had some lifters hit huge rep PBs and then lift like s**t when we do an intensification block after. | ||
| AMH_Power | | ... | 23-11-2015 @ 19:03 |
we ride at dawn Member 4363, 1442 posts SQ 310, BP 250, DL 320880.0 kgs @ 104kgs UnEq | IrishMarc said: I am finding this have had some lifters hit huge rep PBs and then lift like s**t when we do an intensification block after. Thats what I did for serious time... kept rep pb'ing... and never max pb'd. Then had the realized I was limiting output to achieve reps; and this self limit occured when trying maximal too. I now keep my rep work to isolation movements which won't clash with the lifts. | ||
| The_Lone_Wolf | | ... | 23-11-2015 @ 19:39 |
 I eat a lot of meat Member 5124, 3003 posts SQ 245, BP 130, DL 275650.0 kgs @ 105kgs UnEq | AMH_Power said: Thats what I did for serious time... kept rep pb'ing... and never max pb'd. Then had the realized I was limiting output to achieve reps; and this self limit occured when trying maximal too. I now keep my rep work to isolation movements which won't clash with the lifts. So to simply this for my little pea brain... Keep reps low and volume high on core lifts... And in a certain percentage window? And the keep higher rep stuff to accessory stuff? | ||
| The_Lechamotive | | ... | 23-11-2015 @ 21:58 |
balls one size too big Member 338, 604 posts SQ 175, BP 130, DL 210515.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq | I think I'll drop the drop set after the top set (poet) and add in say 3x3 with 10% less weight | ||