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Bim		...	24-04-2018 @ 19:16
6:19.WTF Member 3359, 3677 posts SQ 250, BP 210, DL 295 755.0 kgs @ 89kgs UnEq	Fatpete said: While I welcome agreement I do not insist on it, understanding is all I ask. Would you care to elucidate ? Friction is the enemy of the deadlifter, why reduce it when you can eliminate it altogether ? Are you saying the bar shouldn't touch your legs at all on a deadlift? I would think that would put you in a pretty bad finishing position, although I will admit to never having tried it.

Fatpete		...	25-04-2018 @ 06:45
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17867 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	Bim said: Are you saying the bar shouldn't touch your legs at all on a deadlift? I would think that would put you in a pretty bad finishing position, although I will admit to never having tried it. That's a bold statement now that you have made me think about it. The golden rules of deadlifting are (as far as I am concerned. other golden rules may be available) Rule the first - The angle of the back should be at its most acute at the start position, it should either stay at that position or move towards vertical only throughout the execution of the lift. Rule the second - the bar should travel in a straight line only, it should never detour around the knees, the knees should always be moved out of the path of the bar. Rule the third - Imagine that you have very hairy legs, the bar should remain in contact with the hairs on your legs all the way up, but not with the leg itself save only for the last inch or so as you reach your final finish position. Friction is the enemy, avoidance of it is a good thing, catching the leg will cause friction. End of rules. I will now sit quietly and await the onslaught that is surely coming my way

Fatpete		...	25-04-2018 @ 06:52
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17867 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	Bim said: Are you saying the bar shouldn't touch your legs at all on a deadlift? I would think that would put you in a pretty bad finishing position, although I will admit to never having tried it. Deadlifting is the only one of the three lifts where gravity is not your friend, friction is also not your friend, two unfriendly things in one lift is a lot

ChrisMcCarthy		...	25-04-2018 @ 13:59
Lost his pen, then found his pen. #phew Member 4899, 2956 posts	Think it depends on whether the loss due to friction is outweighed by the advantage of having the bar in a "better" position...which is going to depend on a whole lot of anatomical factors, amongst other things. Also...I bet Jessa Ueppa has more friction-y legs than, say, Wyzerbycki (spelling).

Fatpete		...	25-04-2018 @ 21:37
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17867 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	Wednesday, 25th April, start 16:00 Bench, very raw 20 x 15 20 x 15 20 x 15 40 x 5 50 x 5 60 x 5 70 x 5 80 x 5 90 x 5 100 x 5 105 x 5 110 x 5 Close grip 62 x 8 72 x 8 82 x 8 92 x 8 102 x 7 Decided to revert to fives for bench and tonight's top set was always meant to be 110 which wasn't too bad at all. The close grips were all up two and a half kilos and all went swimmingly until the tank emptied on the penultimate rep. Ah well, can't have everything. Physio later for the usual shoulder and knee stuff. Both are improving which is very good news.

Bim		...	25-04-2018 @ 22:54
6:19.WTF Member 3359, 3677 posts SQ 250, BP 210, DL 295 755.0 kgs @ 89kgs UnEq	Fatpete said: That's a bold statement now that you have made me think about it. The golden rules of deadlifting are (as far as I am concerned. other golden rules may be available) Rule the first - The angle of the back should be at its most acute at the start position, it should either stay at that position or move towards vertical only throughout the execution of the lift. Rule the second - the bar should travel in a straight line only, it should never detour around the knees, the knees should always be moved out of the path of the bar. Rule the third - Imagine that you have very hairy legs, the bar should remain in contact with the hairs on your legs all the way up, but not with the leg itself save only for the last inch or so as you reach your final finish position. Friction is the enemy, avoidance of it is a good thing, catching the leg will cause friction. End of rules. I will now sit quietly and await the onslaught that is surely coming my way All good rules Pete. I deadlifted tonight and thought about them whilst I did so, well the third rule mostly. I have to take the bar a touch further forward to avoid touching the legs at all, this definitely seems to put me in a worse pulling position, not by much, but by enough to notice. It is something I have thought about a little in the past, as I can fail a deadlift in the last 4 - 5 inches, and I'm sure friction on the legs is a contributing factor. I'll admit to using talc an a couple of occasions in the past and it did seem to help, I usually forget though

Billytheold		...	26-04-2018 @ 02:05
Sugdens crazy old person. Member 4936, 7288 posts SQ 270, BP 155, DL 270 695.0 kgs @ 100kgs UnEq	Bim said: All good rules Pete. I deadlifted tonight and thought about them whilst I did so, well the third rule mostly. I have to take the bar a touch further forward to avoid touching the legs at all, this definitely seems to put me in a worse pulling position, not by much, but by enough to notice. It is something I have thought about a little in the past, as I can fail a deadlift in the last 4 - 5 inches, and I'm sure friction on the legs is a contributing factor. I'll admit to using talc an a couple of occasions in the past and it did seem to help, I usually forget though Top shelf sir!


Fatpete		...	26-04-2018 @ 06:45
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17867 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	Bim said: All good rules Pete. I deadlifted tonight and thought about them whilst I did so, well the third rule mostly. I have to take the bar a touch further forward to avoid touching the legs at all, this definitely seems to put me in a worse pulling position, not by much, but by enough to notice. It is something I have thought about a little in the past, as I can fail a deadlift in the last 4 - 5 inches, and I'm sure friction on the legs is a contributing factor. I'll admit to using talc an a couple of occasions in the past and it did seem to help, I usually forget though The secret is that whilst not touching the legs you are almost touching the legs, the less you miss them by the better. One of our younger powerlifters was deadlifting last night and he does it exactly as I describe, touching only at the last inch or so. I would respectfully suggest (I am well aware of your impressive pulling power) that if you notice a difference because of the distance you are from your legs then you are too far away. The ideal is that you are so close as to make no difference in the pulling action, the only difference is that you lose the friction of the drag up your thighs. It's a wonderful thing when it's done right.

Fatpete		...	26-04-2018 @ 06:46
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17867 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	In other news it is one month to the day since we changed the clocks, so it is one month to the day I reset my new watch, I checked it again this morning. It was bang on. I'm impressed.

Bim		...	26-04-2018 @ 09:20
6:19.WTF Member 3359, 3677 posts SQ 250, BP 210, DL 295 755.0 kgs @ 89kgs UnEq	Fatpete said: The secret is that whilst not touching the legs you are almost touching the legs, the less you miss them by the better. One of our younger powerlifters was deadlifting last night and he does it exactly as I describe, touching only at the last inch or so. I would respectfully suggest (I am well aware of your impressive pulling power) that if you notice a difference because of the distance you are from your legs then you are too far away. The ideal is that you are so close as to make no difference in the pulling action, the only difference is that you lose the friction of the drag up your thighs. It's a wonderful thing when it's done right. Ok Pete, I shall give this a go for a few weeks and try to work on the form better, see how it goes. One of the problems for me is when I go heavy, once past the knees I think I actually pull back on the bar a little rather than strait up, a bad habit I guess.

BigMacca		...	26-04-2018 @ 10:52
understanding of the sport, little he has. Member 798, 9942 posts SQ 260, BP 150, DL 272.5 682.5 kgs @ 82.5kgs UnEq	Post Edited: 26.04.2018 @ 12:26 PM by BigMacca Fatpete said: The secret is that whilst not touching the legs you are almost touching the legs, the less you miss them by the better. One of our younger powerlifters was deadlifting last night and he does it exactly as I describe, touching only at the last inch or so. I would respectfully suggest (I am well aware of your impressive pulling power) that if you notice a difference because of the distance you are from your legs then you are too far away. The ideal is that you are so close as to make no difference in the pulling action, the only difference is that you lose the friction of the drag up your thighs. It's a wonderful thing when it's done right. I think that you will find that this only really applies to folk that have classically 'good' deadlift technique, in that when they break the bar off the floor, their hips and shoulders rise at the same rate leaving them lots of hip angle when the bar is at their knees - For this person locking out is a simple affair as they just have to squeeze thier bum and extend their hips and talc here makes no difference. However, for someone who tends to let their hips rise before their shoulders, they end up with the bar at their knees with their hips already fully exteneded (or close to it), so they then have a very hard time locking out as the glutes can provide no assistance. This tends to mean they have to pull into thier thighs, as they are now using their lower back to move the weight and it becomes an agonising, slow process. For this person, talc can make the difference

Bim		...	26-04-2018 @ 11:15
6:19.WTF Member 3359, 3677 posts SQ 250, BP 210, DL 295 755.0 kgs @ 89kgs UnEq	BigMacca said:However, for someone who tends to let their hips rise before their shoulders, they end up with the bar at their knees with their hips already full exteneded (or close to it), so they then have a very hard time locking out as the glutes can provide no assistance. This tends to mean they have to pull into thier thighs, as they are now using their lower back to pull move the weight and it becomes an agonising slow process. For this person, talc can make the difference Pretty much exactly my form when lifting heavy.

Fatpete		...	27-04-2018 @ 07:08
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17867 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	I have sowed my seeds, some will fall on barren earth and some on fertile, either way my work here is done. I wish all of you happy deadlifting, may they all be heavy and joyous.

Fatpete		...	27-04-2018 @ 21:22
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17867 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	Friday, 27th April, start 1700 Arrived before 1600 but got involved in that coaching malarky for over an hour, ah well ! Tbar row 20 x 8 20 x 8 30 x 8 40 x 8 50 x 8 60 x 8 70 x 8 70 x 8 70 x 8 70 x 8 70 x 8 Tbar shrug 60 x 8 70 x 8 80 x 8 80 x 8 80 x 8 80 x 8 80 x 8 Pulldown to chest, wide grip 50 x 8 60 x 8 70 x 8 70 x 8 70 x 8 70 x 8 70 x 8 I have acquired over the last day or so, no fewer than five separate splits on my hands and I am at a loss to explain why. It isn't even cold. Busy day tomorrow, bit of business to see to in the afternoon which involves travel and reffing Sunday, it could all get a bit hectic this weekend.

Fatpete		...	28-04-2018 @ 20:12
Hyper obese Pete Member 70, 17867 posts SQ 322.5, BP 205, DL 300 827.5 kgs @ 133kgs Eq	Saturday, 28th April, start 12:00 Intended starting earlier today but when I checked my tyre pressures I discovered that all were 1.5 pounds down and therefore required adjustment, that took longer than I thought. Bench, very raw 20 x 15 20 x 15 20 x 15 40 x 5 50 x 5 60 x 5 70 x 5 80 x 5 90 x 5 all paused now 95 x 2 95 x 2 95 x 2 Happy to report that not a single unit of electricity was used throughout the entire proceedings, off to the pub for a burger and chips and then off to r kids to conclude a bit of business that needed attending to. R kid's missus, lovely woman that she is insisted that I stay for tea and I offered no argument. It is now my intention to doze in front of the TV until I have to rise quite early tomorrow to prepare for the task of refereeing. The club has three lifters lifting at some Johnny weightlifting nonsense at Mytholmroyd, they are of differing sexes and weights and because of the ridiculous rising bar nonsense the comp probably won't finish until well after nightfall, I hope I am still awake when the results get posted on facebook

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